Author's Comments:

Antares, 27 Dec 2007 03:22 pm

BIG NEWS Since no one ever bothers to look at the news page, I'm just going to post it here.

Now wait before anyone flips out. When I say "bye" it doesn't mean I'm no longer working on Count Spades.

Unfortunately, however, my web host has gone bonkers on my and I'm not sure if I'll be able to get all my stuff back or not. But anyway, I thought I'd take this time to work on what I wanted to for a while. So for now, Count Spades, and none of my webcomics for that matter, will be updated until after the new year starts.

As for what will happen, big changes for Count Spades is gonna be happening. And good ones for those who will be kind enough to wait and see what happens.

Thankyou everyone! And thanks for the support!

User's Comments:

tristan_chans, 27 Dec 2007 03:33 pm

Wow

SakuraTenshi, 27 Dec 2007 03:40 pm

aaawwww... but I like Count Spades and a couple of your other comics.... *sigh*.... I guess I'll just wait as long as I have to then

XxHaNlxX, 27 Dec 2007 03:45 pm

D: ohnoes!
and when you say until after next year do you mean after 2008? =O (<-dumb dumb xppp)
It'll be worth the wait x3

TokyoAfterSunSet, 27 Dec 2007 03:47 pm

o.o ooh, not cool with host. But, anyhow, have fun wif the stuff you are working on <3! And happy new years/be-lated christmas <3 <3

Antares, 27 Dec 2007 04:00 pm

tristan_chans- Yes.. very wow.. and it sux. D:

SakuraTenshi- Aww.. I'm so sorry. But thankyou so much, I'm very happy to know you'll wait! *hugs*

XxHaNlxX- Oops.. that came out wrong... I meant sometime after the next years starts.. I'll correct that. >_>; *hits self*

TokyoAfterSunSet- Thankyou, I appreciate it! ^o^ Happy new years to you too. X3 <3

XxHaNlxX, 27 Dec 2007 04:03 pm

xDD lol s'ok
I get confused easily, my teacher said that if we did one more project it was the last of the year, i got all excited, totally went over my head, similar thing here. I'm just dumb xD

Aishiru, 27 Dec 2007 04:54 pm

I'll wait with baited breath but...
could you at least sign onto AIM every once in a while?

spookyevildoom, 27 Dec 2007 06:15 pm

we will be sad (TTATT) but will wait in excitement for updates because this is the good kind of waiting.

good luck with the new year!

animelover15001, 27 Dec 2007 06:17 pm

same. good luck and can;t wait til the new updates! :)

Surrealmasque, 27 Dec 2007 06:21 pm

Okay, take your time. We'll be waiting! ^^

Until next time; Happy New Year!

.:Jones:., 27 Dec 2007 06:24 pm

i'll wait =] good luck with everything, and merry belated xmas and a happy new year

Chiko100, 27 Dec 2007 06:36 pm

January 1st New Year or Chinese New Year? :>

Tresity, 27 Dec 2007 06:52 pm

[dies]

Mythee, 27 Dec 2007 07:47 pm

n-n Looking forwards to it- good luck!

Pandachu, 27 Dec 2007 08:25 pm

QAQ . . . . . . event he pretty layout and fan arts are gone. . . QAQ

Toasted Jelly, 27 Dec 2007 09:44 pm

Well, we'll be waiting C:

<3

Have a good break! <3

everkitsune, 27 Dec 2007 10:10 pm

I understand I can wait, I hope you can regain the love for this comic, i think making anything should be done because you want to, not because you feel obligated. Happy Holidays~

shiroh, 27 Dec 2007 10:33 pm

you making a movie...?

Eternity, 27 Dec 2007 11:40 pm

I think I nearly had a heart attack *jumped to conclusions too quickly* Oh well I shall wait patiently, since Count Spades is one of my fav online mangas =D

Sashikinoneko, 28 Dec 2007 12:38 am

*almost died* But as a loyal fan, I'll wait... *sits quietly in a corner of this page*

Dra-Gon, 28 Dec 2007 04:28 am

Oh crap D:
I was wondering what happened..

oni-bu, 28 Dec 2007 10:05 am

;x; ohhh nuu... That's too bad... *sobsobsob* I will wait. TATg

Celeste, 28 Dec 2007 11:06 am

I hope things clear up for you! Good luck with everything. This comic is worth the wait. :)

Maieve, 28 Dec 2007 02:38 pm

-salutes- Till next year then! It's good to work on something for yourself every now and then. So relax and enjoy yourself. ^.^

Lost Heart, 28 Dec 2007 03:08 pm

Have fun with your time off ^^
i'm sure it'll be worth the wait ^^

pelica, 28 Dec 2007 07:20 pm

Ohhh good luck! n__n Oooh, now I can't wait til next year comes! <3

theBBK, 28 Dec 2007 10:07 pm

DEFINATELY WILL WAIT~! D: Rawr!

First time commenting after a good year of stalking your comic. >3< Why do I feel so nervous??

Yikes... sorry about your web server. That certainly sucks. During the holidays too... In any case, best of luck and have a happy New Year!

IkoraChan, 29 Dec 2007 03:30 pm

Bye until then! If I have to wait I WILL wait!
It's sad, but Good luck with tha stuff you wanted to work on and I'm looking forward to next year!

KaiKudo, 30 Dec 2007 02:19 am

OMG you scared me D: but i hope to see what happen next so i will wait :3

ritsuko, 03 Jan 2008 06:17 am

An idea...? I don't know if you've considered this yet or if anyone else has already suggested it but... maybe you could ask people if they've saved your manga and if they have, they could send it to you so you could re-upload them? :)

Zhai, 03 Jan 2008 10:03 am

Do you mean you've lost the pages or something? I don't really get it? OxO

Kaneia-Chan (Guest), 04 Jan 2008 10:59 pm

I noticed I can't see any of the pictures when I try to read it... x.x Is that what it is? Will you be abl to fix it? Because I reeaaly like this WC.

AJAngelique, 05 Jan 2008 07:31 pm

*falls to knees* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*grabs her really big spiked club* who do oi have to kill to get your net working again?

TigerLily, 17 Jan 2008 07:26 pm

*sniff I can't read any of the pages except for this one.....I think I'll go cry in the corner

Antares, 19 Jan 2008 04:27 pm

Guys. Please read the author's comment. You'll see why no comics are showing up. : \

SakuraTenshi, 24 Jan 2008 07:43 pm

*huggles back* no problem. hope your computer starts being nice to you soon. and I hope you have a good year, and that the year will go by fast so you can update your uber awesome comics again =3

bayadmuna, 01 Feb 2008 09:35 am

like changes in design? hopefully....?

EDIT: and i mean originality in character design!!!
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Smackjeeves

knull, 06 Feb 2008 04:20 am

LAWL. NICE GETAWAY. thief.

but seriously, this is so disappointing. >>

>_> (Guest), 06 Feb 2008 10:59 pm

Guys give her a break. =w= You two act like she ruined your lives or something.

The designs were good ideas, and as if you two haven't copied at least twenty times in your life. (YES, twenty times at the least.)

It's how people LEARN. So Antares copied some designs. BIG DEAL.

Professional artists do that.

Ayame (Fruits Basket) and Sesshoumaru (Inuyasha)

Similar designs: Long white hair, bangs at the front, yellow eyes, fair skin, "beautiful".

Momiji (Fruits Basket) and Honey-senpai or kun I can't remember (Ouran Highschool)

Similar designs: Semi-short blonde hair, big brown eyes, same personality, even looks exactly the same style-wise.

Fight scenes were copied too, if I remember. -Read a thread about this once- Something about Naruto and Cowboy Bebop I think.

-3- Least she didn't make you guys buy her stuff for profit. These guys did.

nozmo, 06 Feb 2008 11:37 pm

Uhm, Guest. What makes you think that those professional artists copied from each other? :I

Guest, 06 Feb 2008 11:48 pm

There's a BIG difference, at least to me, between inevitable coincidences (anime's pretty unoriginal), and something that's being copied right down to the last detail, save for a few variations in vein attempt to steer clear of accusations.

I don't know who Ayame is but did she have a white kimono with the same pattern as Sesshoumaru's? A fur sash, and shoulder armor with spikes? I doubt it.

I don't think it sounded at all like they were commenting as if she'd "ruined their lives".

And no, I have NEVER copied like Antares has. I have a conscience.

Nashira, 07 Feb 2008 12:57 am

I'm still being a loyal fan to antares! >o<;; How could someone make that stupid thing about Antares on here: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Smackjeeves ? they're just jealous. D: I'm waiting for Antares to come back <333

Guest, 07 Feb 2008 01:49 am

.....They're jealous that Antares steals people's designs?

frozen_shamrocks, 07 Feb 2008 01:16 pm

Good luck Antares!

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 04:43 pm

Found a youtube video about the fight scene I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi5MvPgvDKU&feature=related

OK, maybe the Ayame and Sesshoumaru thing wasn't a good example, but the Momiji and the Honey-senpai one still stands strong.

Google Momiji Fruits Basket and google Honey-Senpai Ouran Highschool.

They look EXACTLY the same, they even ACT the same. There are LITTLE differences between them. (Honey being a martial arts master or something)

Tell me what you see, and then come back asking what made me think that professional artists copy then.

@ Other Guest: Haha. Don't even lie. You're telling me, I guess as an artist, that you have never EVER copied in your entire life? Not even for practice, not even for ideas, not even for reference?

Well here's a little liar right there.

While I highly doubt you are a reborn of Picasso or Da Vinci, I do believe you HAVE copied before.

Original ideas are hard to come by. Most ideas are already taken. Drawings styles have all been inspired somewhere. Some influenced by many other artists. (Ooo. Hybrids. ORIGINAL ISN'T IT? [/end sarcasm])

ANIME and MANGA itself has been inspired by Disney movies. Copying? Maybe. Borrowing ideas? Perhaps. (OOOO. Maybe thought that Antares could've just borrowed the ideas?)

So even drawing, toning, paneling, coloring, all that artists shit... it's copied. It's been done. It's been referenced. "Inspired" as some call it.

OMG. Realism is copying too. And yet it's a widely appreciated form of art.

That goes for photography as well.

What makes manga, even character designs, make it any different as long as it looks good?

So is copying even to the last detail a bad thing? No. It's done everyday. You do it, I do it, everyone freaking does.

Every budding manga artist copied. Whether it be a tutorial online or in a book, or from another artist, or anime...

The list goes ON.

"I don't think it sounded at all like they were commenting as if she'd "ruined their lives"."

Honey, it's called a 'hyperbole'. You learn it in school?

Oh, and for the record, if you had a conscience, maybe you shouldn't have LIED.

Liar.

-_-' (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:08 pm

So... Guest who previously commented above me, are you trying to defend Antares or what?

After looking at the ED article, I think Antares completly over reacted. She should have just admitted that she borrowed/stole/whatever you want to call it and moved on. She's a pretty good artist and it's a shame she's going to remove herself from art communities because of this.

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:22 pm

That depends on how you view it. I am merely stating my opinion of this situation and this unnecessary slashing at Antares.

Most of the slashing is at her because she is A POPULAR ARTIST. If someone else copied, nobody will give a shit about them.

(If you were one of the previous commenter, or "Guest2" who I was talking to, this is to you.) In any case, I like how you completely disregarded my comment and moved to another subject. Bravo. You're a mastermind. (End)

Do you honestly believe Antares would be easily forgiven for copying? No. I don't think so. Not a lot of people are open to this fact, so of course, she will get slashed at even HARDER. That's just how some people are. They'd do anything to bring down someone's reputation.

However, at the same time, I don't believe she has completely removed herself from the art community. She is probably under another alias, and it's probably for the best. It's hard to give up the internet after all.

And if you were a previous fan of hers, I suggest you don't start hunting her down. She'll appreciate it better.

If you're a previous fan and now a hater, well, don't bother searching anyway. You'll probably have little or no luck finding her. Art communities are vast.

kore (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:23 pm

ooh? A fight? woah a fight?

I dont know what all this is about because the length of the fight was boring to me but antares obviously didnt copy anybody so whats the point of this anyway?
I mean you just have to read the comic to tell that the characters are completely original.
:\

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:25 pm

@ Kore: It's better off if you don't know. It's even better if you stayed out of it. It's best if you're so bored with the arguments, that you should dissolve in the background. Srsly. I can picture this argument getting up on ED.

none (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:43 pm

I think the reason why she's being slashed at is because she got popular (for count spades anyway) BECAUSE she took designs from someone else. Everyone thought she was original...

I'll say that 85% of the people on this site look more for the art than story wise...

As an artist at her age (almost 20) and at that art level, she should know better than that. Taking other people's idea AND saying that it's hers is just wrong. She should have given credit or something to the original designers.

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:46 pm

>_> Read my other comment that's below Frozen_Shamrocks' comment.

BTW: she got popular because she knew how to use HUMOR, her story was going great, and she was an excellent artist.

Anyone can take original designs.

But you dismissed the fact that she had talent.

Resalan, 07 Feb 2008 06:03 pm

I wonder how many of these "Guests" all have actual accounts and are just afraid to use them? Hahah.

Anyways.
The designs are similar, yes. Whether it was the humor, art, designs, luck, the color purple, or any of that other fluff that made it popular, it was still wrong for her to use the designs. BUT, either way, there's no use arguing over it because she is not going to come back (especially to little fights like these).

I don't know what you all are trying to prove here. Trying to make the blindly following fans see the light? Trying to make the haters realize that her story was still awesome? Bah.

Oh, but I have to say, the Honey/Momiji or whatev comparison comment was lulzworthy. It doesn't take much to just look at the SHOTA archetype in manga and work from it. Oo. They both have blonde hair and brown eyes--I could find a kid on the street I could accuse of copying too.

Peace, love, and bellbottoms.
<3

LadyBow, 07 Feb 2008 06:06 pm

If you really think that everybody steals other people's designs down to the T, do it yourself, and think there's nothing wrong with it..... that's really sad. It doesn't matter to me whether or not Antares is popular. I admit she has spectacular art and a story plenty different than anything that inspired her. That isn't the issue. The issue is simply that she's this talented and still did one little thing that's really just...dissapointing.

LadyBow, 07 Feb 2008 06:15 pm

And if I might add, Resalan, being a guest doesn't always mean people are afraid to put a face to their comments. It's more like...they're not in the mood to get the shit that likely follows when they become "the enemy" and offer a link where people that disagree can unnecessarily bash them on their work.

Resalan, 07 Feb 2008 06:20 pm

I personally believe not giving your name is cowardly, for that reason exactly. If you're going to state your opinion, I think it's honorable to have at least your name beside it. Not that I've never hidden behind a Guest name before, but either way.

But anywho.
That's hardly the point here.

LadyBow, 07 Feb 2008 06:26 pm

The internet isn't honorable. XD
But I still agree with you. Even if she's kind of a theif, I don't see what the point of mentioning it and trying to start a discussion on her comics is going to do.

bayadmuna, 08 Feb 2008 05:19 am

neh... i wonder where she got the idea for the story....

Tenkyougan, 08 Feb 2008 03:50 pm

Well I'd say the ideas come from her imagination.
I'm pretty sure she didn't steal EVERYTHING.
Assuming that is... Silly.

:D
Still, I lol at your silly arguments.
---
Antares left the communities?
She's still here as far as I can see.

bayadmuna, 08 Feb 2008 07:25 pm

i guess the way she does the comedy part is original, neh....

but the story for september reminds me of neuro... ghost stuck with her and helps her solve the mysteries of the own... wants to find out the truth about her brothers death... the ghost is abusive or somehing...

and scarecrows... they use pleasures to fight the wrath... kinda reminded me of innocence and akuma from d gray man. midnight raiders reminds me of it too... especially the coat...

my girlfriend the superhero... reminded me of uma thurman... even if it wasnt really like that, neh...

now when you think about it... he nly reason why i loved count spades was because of the comedy... dunno about you guys though...

Oo_Orange_oO, 08 Feb 2008 11:11 pm

@w@ LMFAO. WOW. When was this up?? Huhuhu mind if I join? <3 Well I liked Count Spades in the first place because I thought it was funny like Baya. -u- Whatchu guys talkin about??

No offencee........ but I don't really look at characters. o_o LIKE I DO, I HAVE EYES, but like... they're kind of invisible when you're busy reading the dialogue and stuff. AHAHRhahrajksdkajs Kay I don't make sense. SHUTTAP. D: Therefore IDRC about the stealing part LMFAO. xDDD Um.. who really looks at clothes the entire time...?

She did have some originality you guys have to admit. -Gets shoes thrown at me- D: I'M TRYING TO BE NEUTRAL AHHHH. D:

Hmmmm... though I wish that Antares didn't leave completely like that. D: It only makes her look more bait-y. (;;o_o)a Like meat for flamers. She could've just told people sorry or something..... -mumbles, shrugs- I get criticized that I draw like Demon Diary style, but I just say, "Yeah, Kara's my hero! -n- So what?"

@ Ten: o_o I thought she left? She removed like everything in her gallery and stuff. o_o (Unless she has a different account somewhere where she is still updating??? :0)

bayadmuna, 09 Feb 2008 01:46 am

if only she just apologized for stealing and actually made characters and stories that are hers and claimed it's hers and argued with the people who actually noticed her crap instead of running away then she wouldnt be hated this much, neh...

bet she's reading this right now too, neh... damn coward... hope she gets sued...

Oo_Orange_oO, 09 Feb 2008 01:13 pm

>.<;; Mm.. now you just sound a little mean there... >n<;;;; B'sides creating characters are hard. o.o;;;

But yes, I sort of disagree how she just took the design like that..... she should've taken snippets of the costume she liked. AAHAHAHAHHAHA. Then no one would notice! -Shifty eyes- But I don't think she will be reading this. >_<

.......

Like, I wouldn't read it..... Dx

Tenkyougan, 09 Feb 2008 05:27 pm

oO: Yes, but I had yet to notice. D:

Hokaru, 09 Feb 2008 10:40 pm

*just sitting and reading all the thousands (exagerated number) of comments, rants, and fights* u silly silly people, get over it

blah blah 'Antares copied these people' blah, 'Antares at least had an original story' blah blah blah

*sigh* ...D=

ritsuko, 10 Feb 2008 12:10 am

Hokaru is right. and probably other people, but i got sick of reading all of these arguments! =__=; its sad what people are saying about her now. people are always biased towards their own mangas- she may not have realised how similar it was entirely. Regardless of that- i know how similar it was to D.Gray-man (im a major fan of that) but i dont care. mangas are to be enjoyed and i enjoyed this! XD

ticky, 10 Feb 2008 01:23 am

Oo_Orange_oO; i'm sorry to butt in, but, "creating characters is hard"?? that's your defense? everyone ELSE has to create their own character designs, why should she get excused like that?

but still, i'm a little sad that antares left so completely. she was really talented artwise, honestly.

bayadmuna, 10 Feb 2008 04:26 am

looks like this wont get anywhere till she comes back and say something.....

@Oo_Orange_oO: im pretty sure she's reading this, neh.... it's her comic(sort of) with an argument about what she did happening... if she doesnt even have the guts to look at what people say about her then she's even worse than what the flamers say...

so effin show up already, antares!

Kaja Rainbow, 10 Feb 2008 09:07 am

Meh. Looking at that ED article, it's obvious that she did copy those designs. But, to put it simply, those ED people have no sense of civility--they say things in the rudest ways they can instead of simply pointing those things out. It's a big difference between "Hahaha, you moron, your fly is open and you're a poopyhead for leaving it open!" and a simple "Hey, your fly's open."

Minten, 10 Feb 2008 04:07 pm

Creating characters is hard? o_O
Sorry to say it, Orange. But that sounded.... not smart. Everyone has to creates their own characters.
And so should Antares have done.
In fact, I'm quite sure she did too. Okay, she stole some deisgns, I can't deny that. But the haracters perosonalities then? And the story? And the humour and ALL THE STUFF that made me love this comic to death?
...That article is just stupid. Hacking down on people is just... stupid. I totally agree with the person above me... No wonder she felt bad about reading that. D:

I guess this is quite a pointless thing to say here.. BUt i just wanted to speak my mind for once in a while. I'd love to see her come back... maybe to give us an excuse, change the characters a little and continue as before? That would be wonderful. <3

Oo_Orange_oO, 10 Feb 2008 05:59 pm

@ Ticky: Ooish. Whatchu saying? I said that creating character designs are hard, and it's true. I'm not excusing her for what she did wrong. She probably realized how creating characters were hard, so she took the "easy" way out.

@ Baya: Baya, I'm surprised how you turned against her that easily! D: Why should she read all these mean stuff people are saying to beat herself up even more? The message was already given to her by that ED article. :/

@ Minten: Oi, oi. What the hell? Maybe I was being too vague with that comment. I didn't think it needed explaining. I said that creating characters ARE hard, and maybe Antares knew that so she took the easy way out. (That part was supposed to be sort of assumed?)

If you consider all the things that make a person different appearance-wise, it's hard. I've seen too many comics that have characters that look exactly the same. -0-;;; It's even harder in a black-and-white comic.

I'M SAYING: OKAY. MAYBE ANTARES DECIDED TO CUT CORNERS. I CAN SEE WHY, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG.

Aishhhh, you guys are like ready to tear apart anything right now, aren't you? =_= Sad.

LadeeTom, 10 Feb 2008 08:28 pm

overreacting, much? yes, overreacting.
wow... this is an online comic... online. Its not being sold, she isnt making a profit of off this or anything.
Copying is wrong, yes.
...but frankly this is being way overblown.

bayadmuna, 11 Feb 2008 06:22 am

@orange: i didnt turn against her that easily, you know... if she just copied the designs(and some plots) and didnt run away with some lame excuse like she has an unhealthy lifestyle or something i wouldnt be this mad at her. hell, i even apologized for her once or twice for saying her characters look like whoever. but seeing as how wrong i am for apologizing that much really ticked me off. and that ED article was written by people who hated her. we're fans of her work, or former fan in my case, so she should listen to our opinions because it's a hell lot different than what those flamers say... like what her loyal fan's comments... all im asking for is for her to come back and explain and apologize already! sheesh.... does she even go online these days...??? and not everybody beats themselves up because of some flaming!!

ticky, 11 Feb 2008 11:44 am

btw, it's "is" not "are." orange, antares wasn't exactly dumb. i don't think she would have considered STEALING, INEVITABLY being caught, and her fans being disappointed in her the "easy way out."

and don't tell me i'm ripping apart anything. i'm in SUPPORT of antares, but when you spout bullshit like "creating characters is hard," that's just ridiculous.
if you're suppose to be sticking up for her - you're not helping. you're just making things worse. you're even responding offensively to people who are IN SUPPORT of her. :\

Kizzy, 11 Feb 2008 12:32 pm

>______>; Wow...this thing has gotten so out of hand. At first it didn't seem like something to go apeshit over, and now...all yall are doing is saying the EXACT same things over and over in different ways. Okay, Antares copied, I dont think scaring the shit out of her with these comments is going to make her come back, let alone do anything exept give you a peice of mind and make you feel like you "PWNED" the commenter above you. Honestly...and her excuse, yeah it may have been an excuse, but you gotta admit, getting obese over internet comics IS and unhealthy lifestyle, and if she wants to use that as her excuse, so be it. Getting off of this place is probably one of the best things shes done, seeing as how she can see who really cared about her, thus giving her a chance to change. Hell, she might have even continued or started this comic over with even BETTER characters that are her own, cause I know that she was going to change the characters designs. But no one is seeming to want to really give her that chance :/ Its kind of sad to lose such a great artist to this small community over somethings "fans" say. D8 Its just silly and over the top now.

LadeeTom, 11 Feb 2008 05:36 pm

Go, Kizzy!
I agree completely with everything you've said.

Oo_Orange_oO, 11 Feb 2008 06:38 pm

LOL, "designs" is plural, therefore, "are" LMFAO @ Ticky: -Edited by moi- Okay, it was lengthy so I had to chop it all off. (I can note you what I wrote before if you're interested.)

Let me start over. It looks like you're trying to pick a fight with me, but I'm not interested. Sorry, but I have better things to do. <3 That's not me chickening out. -n- I've dug up a few things about what you are like after typing this out, and now I have a different view. Judging from your past comments on your DA and your comics, this is not your regular self. (Attacking people, hot-headed...) Off day maybe? Or maybe the fact that you have the need to defend Antares in this situation? Either way, it's not gonna get us anywhere, it's not going to benefit anyone, and there are no "wins" or "losses" in arguments like these.

You're either:
1. Bored.
2. Too clouded with anger to think this through.
3. Having a bad day.
4. Some other reason that I can't think of. I'm no psychic.

In any case, I do believe that somewhere inside you, there is a possibility of you being intelligent and nice. (Now I know this will some how be mis-shapened into something ugly, but I mean it in the most sincerest way I can.) If any of what I typed here JUST NOW "offended" you, I'm sorry to hear that, because no offence was intended.

Arguments like these start off with a completely new drama that involves mud-slinging at eachother. -n- I don't need any of that crap. You're one of the last people I'd want to mud-sling with. In any case, I'm done talking with you. Sorry if I sounded snobby at that last phrase, I am trying to be careful with my words now in case of it being mistakened for something else again.

@ Baya: Okay, let me tell you it is offensive to an artist when he/she is accused of her characters looking like ones that were already created. That's like making fun of someone's babies. The mom would beat the shit out of you. BUUUUUUUUT because she DID take the designs, I understand your frustration. You have to understand from where she is standing right now though. She got discovered of her little secret that she hoped no one would find out, then the flamers come in like she feared, and now she feels there is no hope to be forgiven or given another chance of.

UGH. I agree overall, that this is getting out of hand now. I thought it'd be interesting to kill some time by reading comments and pitching in what I've got to say here. I think everyone is just bored, and are all just sucking up the drama as much as they can. The fact that Antares copied is BORING, but the flamers and supporters make it fun to read and comment about. ZOMG. I wonder if I can make a webcomic about this? xDDDDDDDD

Antares MAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIII! (Guest), 11 Feb 2008 08:35 pm

NO. NO. YAOI FANGIRLS SUCK. I loved the art.

I loved the story.

This may have been said over 9000 times, but I hate it when people copy character designs. And I disagree with Orange about,'making characters are hard'.

Of course! But it doesn't mean Antares have to steal someone's else design, slap it on some guy, and said,"HAI EVERY1 DIS IS MAH DEZIN HISS NAEM IS HEARTS!!!11!one I DID NOT COPEE!!1"

Um, no. :|

Either way, I think everything that has been said, has been said.

So what, she copied? She can come up with vivid story ideas, but she lacks creating vivid characters.

ticky, 11 Feb 2008 09:00 pm

LOL uh. no it isn't. say it out loud. read a text book. LMAO orange; yeah, this is over, i'm done with you. you're sayin I'M picking a fight and I'M bored? you "looked me up." you wrote me an essay, dear.

this isn't worth my time.

Zethias, 11 Feb 2008 10:21 pm

Wow! Looking at this page is painful. Sorry for following you in Orange...oO

I must agree with Ticky on your comment though about character designs, although I also see what you're saying yourself.
I believe what you meant was that the process of making original character designs is something that some just don't look forward to. It's not that it's hard to create character designs, it just takes time to create character designs.
You have to ask yourself a bunch of questions like "What has been done before?", "How does this work with this?", ect.
Just wondering if this was what you meant to say?

As for the rest of the discussion on this page. I'm not sure if she said herself that the designs were hers. If so, shame on Antares. She was wrong to do so. End of story. Leave the girl alone!

If she didn't directly say that they were her character designs, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and my guess that she's just drawing what she wants to draw. If she wants to draw her favorite characters or her favorite outfits in her own webcomic, there's nothing wrong with it. She's drawing what she wants to draw and she has the freedom to do so. I can't go against her unless she gives solid evidence herself that she's stealing. As long as she's not saying "It's mine!" I see no reason to prosecute her in any way.

I instead could nicely suggest, 'This comic would look great if you added in some of your own character designs.' If she doesn't want to do so however, it's her freedom as the artist of this comic to draw what she wants. It's wrong for her to use the character designs and claim them as her own. It's not wrong of her to want to use her favorite designs as long as she's not charging people to read the comic or saying that she does indeed own them.

As for ED...I go there to see what they say about SJ every so often because I do find what they post there to be funny. Some of it's true, a lot of it is opinionated, but it's not like it actually changes what I believe about the people they're targeting. If anything, they're only helping me to see how some people react under not even the harshest possible criticism. The fact that they're drawing out the worst of some people on SJ is truly amazing. Harsh words do hurt, but getting worked up over people who are just giving their opinion is a little stupid. Everyone has an opinion. Some people are jerks or just like to say things in a jerk like manner. Just ignore them if you don't like them.

Sorry if anything typed here offends anyone in anyway.

Oo_Orange_oO, 11 Feb 2008 11:47 pm

Mm-hmm~ That's nice hon. <33 Zomg since when did "creating a character is hard" thing become such a topic? =n= I didn't even put that much thought into it, and I didn't think it would be taken so seriously, but people are looking even further into it than what was intended, trying to correct grammar or whatnot, picking such piteous things.....

Did that little comment ignite so much fire? -_- Did no one read the capitalized words, "OKAY. MAYBE ANTARES DECIDED TO CUT CORNERS. I CAN SEE WHY, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG"? Was my comment, the one I meant to say lightly, that was NOT directed at ANY of you, THAT ridiculous?

SERIOUSLY, LOOSEN UP. TAKE A JOG IN THE PARK. I swear, if I wrote something like, "Cows in space", everyone would be like, "wut r u seyin? u tryin to say sumthing? bring it on!!!"

It wasn't SUPPOSED to be a debate question. I'm sick of this, why does it feel like all this anger is hurling towards me? -_- Focus it on something else.

bayadmuna, 12 Feb 2008 02:56 am

and so the subject changes.....

hey, as of now this page has 86 comments....^^

Oo_Orange_oO, 12 Feb 2008 07:54 am

=n= Glad it did change... Graww. It was about time.

What do you guys want when she comes back anyway? Just an apology? -n-;;

Personally, I just want her back so I can talk to her again. :/ I don't care that she copied anymore LOL, it's not even such a big deal as people are making it out to be.

bayadmuna, 13 Feb 2008 02:21 am

lol.... now the subject is about character making, neh....^^; ah, well.... i guess it can be hard depending on who makes them....

i just want her to apologize. we cant really beat her up on the net. not physically anyway....

Resalan, 13 Feb 2008 01:40 pm

Okay, I think we get it by now.
-Antares should apologize, IF she plans on coming back to her loyal fans. But if she doesn't, then get over it, I'm sure you all aren't losing sleep over this.
...
That sounds like a pretty good summary to me.

So lets leave it at that, leave Count Spades and Antares alone, and move on with our lives yah?

Lets shoot for:
No. More. Posts.

<3

DakuDaku, 14 Feb 2008 04:43 pm

*insists on posting anyway* I'm sorry...*sobsob* I couldn't resist.

euuuphie (Guest), 16 Feb 2008 12:48 am

I just scanned through the page but is there like... a chat going on in the comments? O_o

Anyway Antares I really hope you update soon!!! ;_____; Lovely comic!

EDIT: okay wow, I just got clued in in all the drama. I'm kind of... speechless at the accused theivery, but really this wouldn't look so terrible if Antares would come back and tell her side?
Otherwise, all signs are pointing in a rather bad direction.

Say it ain't so, Antareees! ;;

xkrazydog, 19 Feb 2008 12:38 am

Wowz, I am quite disappointed, but when everyone says "She copied a character design, its not a huge deal, its a mistake" thats... not good. It IS a big deal.
Cuz in my eyes, thats like plagiarism. What happens when you plagiarise a paper? You are immediately booted out of college. Plagiarism is basically art theft. And I can see why people are pissed because not only is this comic one of the most popular ones, but she ripped off the designs which pretty much attracted a majority of us in the first place.

I mean... as an artist, seriously, how would you feel if you made something, copyrighted it or published it, and found it meant nothing?

On one side, I'm appalled and i believe she really should apologize to her fans for misleading them.

But on the other, atleast she didnt copy the story 100%. If its a vague copy (i.e : cliche) then that may be overlooked, but this is a bit too far seeing as how she copied multiple designs.
...

TacoTotes, 20 Feb 2008 06:47 pm

I agree with xKrazydog on this one, what she did was wrong, she doesn't want to apologize or admit to it so she's staying away. It's a shame I actually really liked this comic.

about copying a story 100% was she copying a story at all?? I don't believe I've heard of anything of the sort, but I've been out of the anime world for a while so I have no idea.

bayadmuna, 21 Feb 2008 02:53 am

And so it begins.... Again.... Neh...

TacoTotes, 21 Feb 2008 04:29 pm

haha yeah time to end this...how many comments are on this page? yikes

how about those Giants?

bayadmuna, 22 Feb 2008 03:01 am

96. and counting, neh.

Fenri (Guest), 27 Mar 2008 01:53 am

#97

Personally, I don't care (:
Her comic rocked balls over balls, and I was sad that it got taken down.

Come back soon Antares~ (cause I wanna see Narison's comics too ;_; )

tedmo, 28 Mar 2008 09:48 pm

Damn....
Antares, I can't believe this.
I'm not even mad. I'm just totally disappointed.
The characters that I'd come to know and love were all just some copy. I just can't believe this.
I had no doubt in my mind that you were going to be one of the greats some day.
I've lost all respect for you.
Not only because you copied your character designs, but beacuse you're cowering like this.
It would be different if you'd of manned up and said "I made a mistake." But you don't.
How can we trust you again?
For all we know the story was a copy, too.
You hide underneath this bull shit about needing time off.
You need to give your fans at least a decent explanation.

Guest, 05 Apr 2008 05:47 pm

Actually, the "Castle of Forgetfulness" is a hell lot like Castle Oblivion in Kingdom Hearts without a creative name(no surprise.)

SakuraTenshi, 07 Apr 2008 11:36 am

....ok, FIRST OF ALL: Antares is NOT running away. HER WEB HOST IS HAVING PROBLEMS WHICH IS AFFECTING HER COMICS.

and just because she copied something (and I'm NOT saying she did) doesn't mean it's bad. yes, people copy things when they draw but that's either because:

1: they don't know what to draw
2: they might be trying to get new ideas
3: they're trying to develop their art skills and styles
4: they really want to copy and don't care if they do

but if anything, it's probably because of the first 3 for Antares.

heck, even I copy sometimes, but that's only because I'm trying to DEVELOP my art style and skills. there's nothing wrong with PRACTICE.

THAT GOES FOR STORY LINES, SETTINGS, ETC.

at least she has TALENT, SKILLS, AND THE INSPIRATION TO WANT TO MAKE A MANGA.

if we didn't have inspiration, then how else could we develop our skills?

it definitely isn't gonna pop out of no where one day. that only happens if you're really some creative Einstein, but 'even Einstein asked questions'. that's just like saying 'even all artists copy'.

there's practically NO WAY anyone could think of something original unless they've had INSPIRATION.

and maybe some people aren't good at making things up on their own. SOMETIMES THEY NEED SOMETHING TO HELP THEM WITH WHAT THEY NEED HELP ON. (EXP: LIKE THE FIGHTING SCENES. if she's not in anything like martial arts then there's almost no way she'd be able to make up fight scenes on her own unless she's watched or read fighting scenes; or she's just really that creative)

personally, to me, it's the desire to want to make something of your talents, not whether to waste them and not use them at all just because they're copying, stealing, etc.

IF AN ARTIST (ETC.) CAN'T USE THEIR TALENTS DUE TO WORTHLESS THINGS LIKE SLASHING AND CRITICISM (although crits do help when you're trying to develop something), THEN THEY'RE PRACTICALLY BEING FORCED TO THROW AWAY THEIR TALENT.

WHICH IS NOTHING BUT A WASTE.

AND IT HURTS THE ARTIST'S FEELINGS WHEN PEOPLE DO THINGS SUCH AS THAT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING.

so seriously, let her use her talents to try to make something of herself. I don't even see any copying from what I've read. seriously, if you have a problem with it then just STOP WASTING YOUR TIME TRYING TO BRING AN ARTIST WITH A TALENT DOWN.

TRY PUTTING YOURSELF IN HER SHOES INSTEAD OF GIVING FULL-OUT CRITICISM.

AT LEAST SHE HAS THE HEART TO TAKE HER TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING OF HER TALENTS AND HERSELF.

also, there's nothing wrong with different opinions, but if they're as harsh as this, then that's just cruel. would you like it if someone did just as you're doing to you? I think not.

(also, I agree with Zethias!)

and I apologize if I offended anyone. I don't intend to do things such as that.

tedmo, 07 Apr 2008 05:44 pm

There is nothing wrong with copying to get better. BUT-
There is something wrong with copying an ENTIRE FRANCHISE's characters, and THEN calling them your own.
THAT IS WRONG.
And don't give me that crap about her not running away. Don't you think thats a little convenient?!
"Ooops, my web server messed up, and would ya look at that all my comics are gone."
Then she gets exposed on ED.
Thats BULL.
She ran away on DA as well.
Don't you find that the least suspicious?!
And she did not have INSPIRATION. Bitch had STICKY FINGERS, and a decent art style to cover it up.
WE are just acting the way we would to ANY artist who would steal character designs, and then call them their own.
It would be different if Antares herself would just be honest with us and say "These character designs are not originally mine."
But she didn't.
And THAT is why she is wrong.
And for you to defend her acts, you are saying that it is okay to steal someone elses work.
I can see copying and working to get better, I can understand doing fanart of someone elses work to get better and then giving them the credit.
But, that is NOT what Antares did.
She stole. And even a CHILD knows, and could tell you, that stealing is wrong.
By running away, Antares is telling us "Screw you."
Even tho, WE ARE YOUR FANS, and you wouldn't BE here without us(even if you don't deserve it), you just cower and can't even offer us an explanation.
I have lost my respect for her. And rightly so.
And if she was TRYING, she could come up with some decent story and characters. BUT SHE IS NOT TRYING.
She is taking the EASY way out and stealing someone else's hard work.
How could you defend someone lacking that much integrity?

guest ¬¬ (Guest), 09 Apr 2008 07:53 pm

Oh God.
I must agree that what Antares did wasn't something nice.
She did copyed something, claiming it as her own, even if it wasn't.
Althought she didn't copyed it all, like xkrazydog said.

I know plagiarism is absolutely wrong, stealing someone else's ideas too, but come on.
Tell me if your lives are going to change if you keep posting something here.
Yeah, I may sound contraditory,
but are your whole life going to be sadder or happier if you keep telling that she've stole something or that she haven't?
Are you IQ going to increase after all of this?
Are any of you the authors of the 'original' images that Antares 'stole'?

She did the right think leaving the site.
And I think we all should keep living our lives.
Sheesh.

vahnm, 09 Apr 2008 10:17 pm

Hayguys. I started reading this months ago. I thought her art was crisp... And her designs were original.

It's a damn shame her designs were taken from other things... mostly because they were key to her art.

And no, it's not that damn hard to make character designs. Maybe it's because I sew a lot, I can shit out designs like no tomorrow...

Not. all. artists. copy. Saying so is a cheap way to make yourself feel better when you do it. There is a factor of inspiration, and sometimes, people end up drawing something that looks similar to something else they may or may not have seen... That's coincidence, but if it's almost every character, that's not coincidence at all... In fact, most coincidences aren't coincidence at all.

Learn on your own. Maybe most of us started from copying, but we progressed and got better through our own critiquing.

There's so much caps... seriously, guys... You can't hide the truth. And honestly, she could have easily apologized, designed the characters herself, and continued on...

Edit: My goodness. I didn't notice how many typos and how much incorrect grammar plagues the comments last night... Was I really that tired?

"Are you IQ going to increase after all this," I hope yours does. I can understand if you're trying to type dramatically, but... holy shit, seriously? I thought it'd be "Is your IQ going to raise after all of this?" Honey, don't worry--it's not just you that needs to work on your grammar... I'm just pointing out that good grammar helps you. Trust me, look at your comments closely before posting...

And use logic before emotion. Running completely on emotion gets you in trouble. Mmmhm.

bayadmuna, 09 Apr 2008 11:26 pm

huh.... so it still goes on...^^;

Narison, 11 Apr 2008 01:06 am

LOLOL I'm remembered. ; ; That makes me happy in the midst of this sad circumstance. Antares and I had a sort of popular-comic-artist bond for a while, and I respected her as a fellow artist. After coming back from my personal stuff and seeing this made me sad. D: I won't say much because I believe what I feel has been said. It's just so unfortunate.

China (Guest), 15 Apr 2008 09:47 am

I had a dream last night that Lala and I were in the castle and Count Spades was missing somewhere in there. We were looking for him and for some reason the twins were helping us. And I was running all over calling out for Smiley 'cause I thought he knew where Spades was!

*sigh*

I just wish Antares would come back and finish it, even if the characters had different designs.

tedmo, 16 Apr 2008 08:35 pm

Yeah, me too. I don't hate her. I think she could do it. I beleive in her. I mean, she could even keep the desings as long as she asked permission of the company and made sure we all knew she was using them.
I think her art rocked.
She just needs to take a break.

*Suki*, 24 Apr 2008 10:38 pm

Sorry to say tedmo, but I read that she's changing her IM and E-mail, and deleting her SJ and dA accounts too. Rather than stepping up to the situation and apologizing, she's just....running away.
It's not really considered a break for her anymore, it's more like a 'Silent Forever Farewell'.

Fundi_mental, 08 May 2008 01:19 am

yeah well... problem is everyone is inspired by different things. If she was inspired by these so called characters then let it be. noone should be harrassed because they started something,it turned out to be popular, and now everyone is gripping. If you don't like it then oh well. I love this story and I hope that she ignores most of the rude comments on this page. I am a true fan and I hope she stays with the plot.

tedmo, 13 May 2008 08:06 pm

Everyone keeps saying "inspired". "Oh she's not a thief, she was just inspired"
I'm sorry, but I'm a decent enough artist to know there is a difference between being inspired and just taking the designs of another artist.
Don't you get it?
Some one had to practice hours and hours, put their whole soul into the characters that Atares just stole. A living breathing person drew those designs.
Do you think good character designs just fall out people's asses?
It takes time and dedication, something Antares just didn't have.
She didn't say, "I'm using {artist name}'s character design, here check them out, I think their awesome!"
She just took them. It takes alot hard work to make character designs. And artist put alot of love into the characters they create.
Antares just saw them and took what she saw.
Inspiration is seeing a red flower and then taking that mental image and creating a boy with red hair.
Inspiration is not seeing another artist character and then taking their look for yourself.
It's just NOT.
Why do you think she dissapeared like this? Because she knows what she did was wrong.
But I'm thru explaining it.
If you guys can't get that STEALING is WRONG, well then thats a personal issue, and I'm not a therapist.
Message me at DA, if you have any quilms, I'm outta here, being around this stolen character comic is making me sick.

Tolneir, 16 May 2008 10:39 pm

Wow... you're all still arguing about this? Can't you just... let it die already?

Angy (Guest), 19 May 2008 04:46 pm

Your one to talk, why'd you come back to check the page, you're obviously interested in it too.

Key (Guest), 20 May 2008 11:36 am

@bayadmuna:

One of the FIRST STEPS to learning how to draw, is to COPY. Or, trace. My sister, who is a wonderful anime artist, and can draw practicaly any style, started out learning by COPYING INUYASHA. She would find a good picture of him, print it out, and then draw, not trace, a copy of it, until she could draw him without needing a picture to look at. After a few years, you couldn't even recognize that it's still the same person drawing. She's started to draw several manga, and has actually finished a few of them. OBVIOUSLY, you can find an anime character SOMEWHERE that looks like one of hers. Sometimes I will start reading a manga, and notice one of the characters in it look a lot like one of hers. What's really intresting is the fact that either 1, said sister had never seen the manga before she made her person, or 2, the manga was written AFTER she'd made her person. And she never puts her art on the internet, so there's no way the mangaka could have copied from her. I've noticed a lot of art looks very simalar.

And, just because someone copies someone elses style, it DOESN'T mean they're STEALING. It's a sign that they really respect that artist.

tedmo, 21 May 2008 02:29 pm

Sweety, this is not copying.
All the characters that look like these ones in this comic are from the SAME FRANCHISE.
Nitro+
You can look it up.
Now if I started a comic with a boy with doggy ears and long white hair who was half demon, wouldn't tht be suspicious?

Now, I copy to get better, too.
But I would never, EVER, copy and then post it as my OWN.

That is wrong.

She went to the Nitro+ web page and STOLE those character designs.

Stealing is taking something without permission.

Obviously Antares didn't ask the artist nor the company if she could use the character designs.
Nor did she tell us that the designs were not originally hers.

Now I'm not saying that every character that looks like another character is stolen. But the ones Antares took were stolen.
The characters all came from the same site.
That is way too suspicious. Thats no coincidence.

And if that is not enough, she vanishes as soon as the news gets out that she stole.

So even she could probably tell you she stole.
If she didn't then why did she run away?
Why didn't she tell all of us what you are telling us now?

Because she did wrong.

@Angy (guest)

I agree, the people who keep telling us to "leave it alone" keep coming back to this page as well.
It's really hypocrytical.
Oh well, like I said I'm done, I'm Tedmo @ DA, if you got anymore fuss with me.
Tedmo out

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Angy (Guest), 07 Jun 2008 10:08 am

LOL.

Kiary, 08 Jun 2008 12:08 am

I have never read the story but i like reading these comments lol but anyway if i can put in my own two cents, i think that copying the characters was wrong yes but we shouldn't beat her up for it :( yes i also think she should of done something like apologize Still i don't think all of you faved the comic just for it's ART alone the storyline couldn't been copied completely too... right anyway just ignore me i've said wati've wanted to say :)and wats the point of carrying this on unless to entertain people who like a good argument >_<

Pandachu, 08 Jun 2008 05:38 am

Seriously, can someone tell me . . . Where I can find/read the manga that the original "count spades"(I don't know his name) comes from because I've been reading a lot of these comments, and that nitro+ site isn't helping because I only read english. D: I wanted to read it so bad after I saw a short comic in the back of . . . I think it was zatch bell . . . that had a character who looked exactly like count spades, down to the chain around his waist . . . except this one had more piercings and no STML. So, I'm pretty sure it's the same guy . . .

So, does anyone know what these animes/mangas are called? (and are they in english at all for that matter)

Guest, 10 Jun 2008 09:32 pm

Ugh...this is so gay, this comic lacked some serious originality in the basically all of its design. The story wasn't as original as you'd may think and...bah this just sucked...

anime-honeybee, 11 Jun 2008 07:24 pm

haha there are some pretty interesting arguments on this page. Since it doesn't look like she has any intention of returning, I guess there's no harm. Anyways, I just wanted to say as far as referencing vs. stealing and what the difference is; its the value of the idea. If she (as it would seem) took from these designs their idea and claimed them as her own, then it is stealing. It is, as has been said, like when you are in high school or post secondary; plagiarism is a serious offense with serious consequences. I think most of us are old enough to know that. It's like this; when you write a paper you can look up similar papers or famous authors to see what kind of style they used to write their paper. The basic structure, the tense used, etc. What you get in trouble for is taking ideas and information (basically the hard work of others) and passing it off as your own. If you disagree that this is a problem, please honestly think to yourself: "If someone on smackjeeves posted a comic with characters that were unmistakably copied from my characters and said that they came up with the ideas all by themselves, would I feel like I had been wronged?"
Also, I only read a few pages of this comic before it disappeared, could someone like the last guest tell me what if anything about the story was unoriginal? I hadn't heard much about that aspect of this ordeal. ^^

Ansen2345, 15 Jun 2008 04:18 pm

goddammit, people
reading this makes me sick
honestly, I have no artistic ability; henceforth, I'm a spriter
I honestly think that if this person's art was copied; WHO GIVES A SHIT!?
she changed it, spriters do that all the time, it's called editing
COPYING is when you steal-not someone's art, no, if they didn't want that stolen, why post it on something as accessible as the INTERNET- but when you steal someone's WRITING, and as far as I know, whic honestly, I can't say is much, this comic MAY have had an original story, though as a Kingdom Hearts fan, I should slap Antares for using a bad rip-offish name like the castle of forgetfullness, OBVIOUSLY a ripoff of Castle Oblivion
if you "Steal", per se, someone's artistic design, I say, if you make it SOMEWHAT ariginal, it's fine with me
if you use it as inspiration, fine with me
as I see it, it wasn't direct plagiarism, which I can't honestly SEE, now, can I? but, honestly, people, this is vomit-inducing.
go get a life.
Ansen out

anime-honeybee, 16 Jun 2008 07:30 pm

To be fair Ansen, if we need to get a life, then so do you for reading all this and spending time replying. ;D you may not have ever had something stolen, but it does hurt. And if you don't believe it's a big deal, take a look at the history of intellectual property and see how mere "copying" can ruin reputations and careers, can result in lawsuits for huge sums of money. You may not realize this, but in most countries, the second you give an idea a physical expression (aka write it down even on a scrap of paper) it gains a manner of copyright automatically. Just because people publish their work on the internet does not give anyone a right to take it. And as for changing things, that's not what people are upset about. As was stated time and time again, people are mad because she DID NOT ADMIT to taking her ideas from others. Regardless of the changes she made to the designs, she let people think that she came up with them all by herself, and THAT is wrong.

kay osse, 16 Jun 2008 10:09 pm

this is retarded. i came to see what was up with cout spades... and found THIS.

i began to read it because it was interesting. ten it got kind of funny. then it just got stupid.

GIVE IT UP. EVERYONE GETS THE POINT. SHE WAS WRONG, SHE RAN AWAY, END OF STORY.

random guest (Guest), 17 Jun 2008 06:24 pm

wow I just find it rather amusing: I have this site saved under favs because I used to read Count Spades, then go from here to read other comics on Smackjeeves. Now that it's gone, I'm too lazy to change the fav link, and everytime I get on here it seems like someone comments everyday. Yeah, I guess I just contributed to this problem...but it's interesting to me how many times someone says 'drop it' and sure enough there are more comments afterwards XD I guess next time I want to read a comic and use this link I'll look for some comment yelling at me.

knull, 18 Jun 2008 12:19 am

*yells at the random guest*

YESSS. i just contributed to the problem.

-out

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pelikan (Guest), 24 Jun 2008 05:37 pm

oh dear, a TL;DR o.o
But leaving the stolen designs and stuff, did ANYONE save the pages?It would've been nice ya know :|

LadyBow, 26 Jun 2008 09:57 pm

I have an undying need to comment again.

Lots of people draw fanart and copy other things when learning how to draw. It's completely true; I did it, you did it... Antares probably did it long ago... But um... uhh. Does anybody notice that this doesn't apply for someone who's now drawing nearly professional looking mangas on a website? This comic clearly isn't practice. Antares doesn't need help like that. And frankly, nobody actually associated with a comic industry gives a ding-dangle shit if she has talent. Lots of people have talent in the real world. If you're caught snatching anybody's copyrighted designs, you get what you were asking for.

And. If you can't see the huge coincidence in her art and the Nitro+ game characters....please die in a fire.

ninebucks, 28 Jun 2008 02:45 pm

While I can't believe I read through all of that; I can't believe how much ignorance I've seen in the span of one scroll. Though my wishes were to steer clear of this train-wreck, I can't help but comment on certain issues.

First off, to all of those of you who say, who knows, maybe Antares based the character designs on existing characters: You have clearly not seen the damning evidence. She copied some of these designs to the exact T and, as an adult, she should know better. I am disappointed in her because she has technique and she most definitely has moxy.

Antares lost her credibility as an artist when this was discovered and it will probably remain this way until she "redeems" herself, which - imo - is sad. People are treating her harshly for her dishonesty because they trusted her, they admired her and a breach like this just leaves everyone either bitter or just really, really disillusioned.

Now, for those of you who say original ideas are hard to come by. Guess what, guys, you're right, but that doesn't give you the faculty to cut out an exact replica of a character you've seen.

"But, characters look the same in anime ALL THE TIME!" That's true, but it's called archetyping (typecasting, you name it); and, well, the Japanese happen to be very good at it - or bad, depending on who we're talking about. Take for example, Yuu Watase's characters: Out of all of them, there's one innocent sweet girl with a somewhat sad/tragic background, there's always a level-headed bishounen too worried about everything and doing what's right even if it blows up in his face later, etc... Another example of Japanese archetyping happens in theatre, where we have different characters in different groups (the Good Wife, the Villain...) but the masks, make-up and even puppets are just THE SAME. Mysterious and elusive? Let's throw down some white hair and light amber/dark blue eyes. Stoic? Black hair. Cute and bubbly? Pink hair/brown hair and green eyes.

Nevertheless, a design makes the character and it should be thought of thoroughly instead of doing it the easy way. I'm not saying you can't base a character's looks on something you've seen, but, again, if it looks a cardboard cut-out and behaves like one, then that's just all there is. Honestly, guys, there's no other way around it.

Like I said, Antares has potential, but unless she changes her ways, a lot of people are going to look down at her with contempt. |x

Whatever the case, I hope she's alright, and encourage her to keep drawing to develop and grow. (: <3

bayadmuna, 03 Jul 2008 04:17 am

126 comments! 8D

Lol. Let's go for fifty! XDDD

random guest (Guest), 06 Jul 2008 03:04 pm

I return. And I believe I just added the 127th comment? Go me! Now off to my comics.

Save a rainforest!

TacoTotes, 17 Jul 2008 10:10 pm

I can't believe I even bother but hell, I just remembered this comic cause it came up as a donator comic, was wondering if it was back. Guess not.

I would really like to see someone else attempt/finish this story, seeing that it will never be finished. Then again, maybe this story already exists somewhere.

tedmo, 25 Jul 2008 06:44 am

#129 http://www.ntv.co.jp/neuro/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majin_Tantei_N%C5%8Dgami_Neuro


Okay, somebody said they were interested in the actual "Count Spades" aka Neuro?

I don't really know if the stories are the same. I didn't really check. But who cares.
But just in case anyone was interested.

aisiyupi, 26 Jul 2008 06:15 am

Only antares knows if she copied art or not.
And she will most likely never tell us.

knull, 09 Aug 2008 03:38 pm

Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro is VERY old and hasn't been subbed by any of the well known fansub groups, I don't think. Antares probably didn't think anyone would recognize it.
I do remember it now though. One of the opening songs was by Nightmare.

Solo Azume, 09 Aug 2008 04:44 pm

eh..not true.. So Spades is a guy with multi-colored hair and sharp teeth...
Just because Neuro has that to, doesn't mean that she copied....Great mind think alike, and since Neuro is so little known here in America, it's likely she hasn't even heard of it.....
but it is possible she copied. We'd never know, but I believe i her ^D^-

tedmo, 12 Aug 2008 08:58 am

*facepalm* http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Smackjeeves#Antares

Zhai, 14 Aug 2008 01:26 pm

Can't believe I actually read this whole page and, on top of that, commenting, but oh well.

This pretty much sucks. I really really liked her art and thought she would go far . But... this...this is just... I dunno. I'm just disappointed, just like some other people here.

Anyway, about the whole copying thing, I don't take characters completely from something, mostly, I take one trait, and the character usually makes up her own personality (I know this sounds weird XD But it's just, you know, gawd, I just can't explain it. The character forms itself, kinda.). For example, I gave one of my characters a trait of myself, lazyness XD and through the sketching and scripting and whatever, the character got smart, laid-back etc.

TerminalMontage, 16 Aug 2008 01:11 am

LOL SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SPRITERS AND ARTISTS DOING THE SAME THING??
LOL NO.
Okay, so this person "copied" something, but he/she drew it her own way :l
A spriter, takes a sprite, and adds words. TA DA. It's finished and takes up 75% of this site.



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I don't think it's possible to be completely original anymore, but some things stick out and/or are rarer than others... ///blabbing ignore plz

And someone should make an encyclopediadramatica about me! 8D

kouryu, 17 Aug 2008 03:41 pm

uh..u people are all wierd...who cares that much if she copied the character designs? there's no profit in this for her, and the people who are upset are either:
1. people who dont even know her, but are for some reason dissappointed b/c of the whole cpoying thing,
2. people who dont like copying and likes to pretend they dont do it
3.her fans who are soo into her comics they they dont want to belive she's doiny anything wrong.

this is ridiculosuly long too. copying is wrong...yay. now get over it people. u dont even KNOW her.

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