Author's Comments:

Antares, 27 Dec 2007 03:22 pm

BIG NEWS Since no one ever bothers to look at the news page, I'm just going to post it here.

Now wait before anyone flips out. When I say "bye" it doesn't mean I'm no longer working on Count Spades.

Unfortunately, however, my web host has gone bonkers on my and I'm not sure if I'll be able to get all my stuff back or not. But anyway, I thought I'd take this time to work on what I wanted to for a while. So for now, Count Spades, and none of my webcomics for that matter, will be updated until after the new year starts.

As for what will happen, big changes for Count Spades is gonna be happening. And good ones for those who will be kind enough to wait and see what happens.

Thankyou everyone! And thanks for the support!

User's Comments:

tristan_chans, 27 Dec 2007 03:33 pm

Wow

SakuraTenshi, 27 Dec 2007 03:40 pm

aaawwww... but I like Count Spades and a couple of your other comics.... *sigh*.... I guess I'll just wait as long as I have to then

XxHaNlxX, 27 Dec 2007 03:45 pm

D: ohnoes!
and when you say until after next year do you mean after 2008? =O (<-dumb dumb xppp)
It'll be worth the wait x3

TokyoAfterSunSet, 27 Dec 2007 03:47 pm

o.o ooh, not cool with host. But, anyhow, have fun wif the stuff you are working on <3! And happy new years/be-lated christmas <3 <3

Antares, 27 Dec 2007 04:00 pm

tristan_chans- Yes.. very wow.. and it sux. D:

SakuraTenshi- Aww.. I'm so sorry. But thankyou so much, I'm very happy to know you'll wait! *hugs*

XxHaNlxX- Oops.. that came out wrong... I meant sometime after the next years starts.. I'll correct that. >_>; *hits self*

TokyoAfterSunSet- Thankyou, I appreciate it! ^o^ Happy new years to you too. X3 <3

XxHaNlxX, 27 Dec 2007 04:03 pm

xDD lol s'ok
I get confused easily, my teacher said that if we did one more project it was the last of the year, i got all excited, totally went over my head, similar thing here. I'm just dumb xD

Aishiru, 27 Dec 2007 04:54 pm

I'll wait with baited breath but...
could you at least sign onto AIM every once in a while?

spookyevildoom, 27 Dec 2007 06:15 pm

we will be sad (TTATT) but will wait in excitement for updates because this is the good kind of waiting.

good luck with the new year!

animelover15001, 27 Dec 2007 06:17 pm

same. good luck and can;t wait til the new updates! :)

Surrealmasque, 27 Dec 2007 06:21 pm

Okay, take your time. We'll be waiting! ^^

Until next time; Happy New Year!

.:Jones:., 27 Dec 2007 06:24 pm

i'll wait =] good luck with everything, and merry belated xmas and a happy new year

Chiko100, 27 Dec 2007 06:36 pm

January 1st New Year or Chinese New Year? :>

Tresity, 27 Dec 2007 06:52 pm

[dies]

Mythee, 27 Dec 2007 07:47 pm

n-n Looking forwards to it- good luck!

Pandachu, 27 Dec 2007 08:25 pm

QAQ . . . . . . event he pretty layout and fan arts are gone. . . QAQ

Toasted Jelly, 27 Dec 2007 09:44 pm

Well, we'll be waiting C:

<3

Have a good break! <3

shiroh, 27 Dec 2007 10:33 pm

you making a movie...?

Eternity, 27 Dec 2007 11:40 pm

I think I nearly had a heart attack *jumped to conclusions too quickly* Oh well I shall wait patiently, since Count Spades is one of my fav online mangas =D

Sashikinoneko, 28 Dec 2007 12:38 am

*almost died* But as a loyal fan, I'll wait... *sits quietly in a corner of this page*

Dra-Gon, 28 Dec 2007 04:28 am

Oh crap D:
I was wondering what happened..

oni-bu, 28 Dec 2007 10:05 am

;x; ohhh nuu... That's too bad... *sobsobsob* I will wait. TATg

Celeste, 28 Dec 2007 11:06 am

I hope things clear up for you! Good luck with everything. This comic is worth the wait. :)

Lost Heart, 28 Dec 2007 03:08 pm

Have fun with your time off ^^
i'm sure it'll be worth the wait ^^

pelica, 28 Dec 2007 07:20 pm

Ohhh good luck! n__n Oooh, now I can't wait til next year comes! <3

theBBK, 28 Dec 2007 10:07 pm

DEFINATELY WILL WAIT~! D: Rawr!

First time commenting after a good year of stalking your comic. >3< Why do I feel so nervous??

Yikes... sorry about your web server. That certainly sucks. During the holidays too... In any case, best of luck and have a happy New Year!

IkoraChan, 29 Dec 2007 03:30 pm

Bye until then! If I have to wait I WILL wait!
It's sad, but Good luck with tha stuff you wanted to work on and I'm looking forward to next year!

KaiKudo, 30 Dec 2007 02:19 am

OMG you scared me D: but i hope to see what happen next so i will wait :3

ritsuko, 03 Jan 2008 06:17 am

An idea...? I don't know if you've considered this yet or if anyone else has already suggested it but... maybe you could ask people if they've saved your manga and if they have, they could send it to you so you could re-upload them? :)

Zhai, 03 Jan 2008 10:03 am

Do you mean you've lost the pages or something? I don't really get it? OxO

Kaneia-Chan (Guest), 04 Jan 2008 10:59 pm

I noticed I can't see any of the pictures when I try to read it... x.x Is that what it is? Will you be abl to fix it? Because I reeaaly like this WC.

AJAngelique, 05 Jan 2008 07:31 pm

*falls to knees* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*grabs her really big spiked club* who do oi have to kill to get your net working again?

TigerLily, 17 Jan 2008 07:26 pm

*sniff I can't read any of the pages except for this one.....I think I'll go cry in the corner

Antares, 19 Jan 2008 04:27 pm

Guys. Please read the author's comment. You'll see why no comics are showing up. : \

SakuraTenshi, 24 Jan 2008 07:43 pm

*huggles back* no problem. hope your computer starts being nice to you soon. and I hope you have a good year, and that the year will go by fast so you can update your uber awesome comics again =3

bayadmuna, 01 Feb 2008 09:35 am

like changes in design? hopefully....?

EDIT: and i mean originality in character design!!!
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Smackjeeves

knull, 06 Feb 2008 04:20 am

LAWL. NICE GETAWAY. thief.

but seriously, this is so disappointing. >>

>_> (Guest), 06 Feb 2008 10:59 pm

Guys give her a break. =w= You two act like she ruined your lives or something.

The designs were good ideas, and as if you two haven't copied at least twenty times in your life. (YES, twenty times at the least.)

It's how people LEARN. So Antares copied some designs. BIG DEAL.

Professional artists do that.

Ayame (Fruits Basket) and Sesshoumaru (Inuyasha)

Similar designs: Long white hair, bangs at the front, yellow eyes, fair skin, "beautiful".

Momiji (Fruits Basket) and Honey-senpai or kun I can't remember (Ouran Highschool)

Similar designs: Semi-short blonde hair, big brown eyes, same personality, even looks exactly the same style-wise.

Fight scenes were copied too, if I remember. -Read a thread about this once- Something about Naruto and Cowboy Bebop I think.

-3- Least she didn't make you guys buy her stuff for profit. These guys did.

nozmo, 06 Feb 2008 11:37 pm

Uhm, Guest. What makes you think that those professional artists copied from each other? :I

Guest, 06 Feb 2008 11:48 pm

There's a BIG difference, at least to me, between inevitable coincidences (anime's pretty unoriginal), and something that's being copied right down to the last detail, save for a few variations in vein attempt to steer clear of accusations.

I don't know who Ayame is but did she have a white kimono with the same pattern as Sesshoumaru's? A fur sash, and shoulder armor with spikes? I doubt it.

I don't think it sounded at all like they were commenting as if she'd "ruined their lives".

And no, I have NEVER copied like Antares has. I have a conscience.

Nashira, 07 Feb 2008 12:57 am

I'm still being a loyal fan to antares! >o<;; How could someone make that stupid thing about Antares on here: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Smackjeeves ? they're just jealous. D: I'm waiting for Antares to come back <333

Guest, 07 Feb 2008 01:49 am

.....They're jealous that Antares steals people's designs?

frozen_shamrocks, 07 Feb 2008 01:16 pm

Good luck Antares!

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 04:43 pm

Found a youtube video about the fight scene I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi5MvPgvDKU&feature=related

OK, maybe the Ayame and Sesshoumaru thing wasn't a good example, but the Momiji and the Honey-senpai one still stands strong.

Google Momiji Fruits Basket and google Honey-Senpai Ouran Highschool.

They look EXACTLY the same, they even ACT the same. There are LITTLE differences between them. (Honey being a martial arts master or something)

Tell me what you see, and then come back asking what made me think that professional artists copy then.

@ Other Guest: Haha. Don't even lie. You're telling me, I guess as an artist, that you have never EVER copied in your entire life? Not even for practice, not even for ideas, not even for reference?

Well here's a little liar right there.

While I highly doubt you are a reborn of Picasso or Da Vinci, I do believe you HAVE copied before.

Original ideas are hard to come by. Most ideas are already taken. Drawings styles have all been inspired somewhere. Some influenced by many other artists. (Ooo. Hybrids. ORIGINAL ISN'T IT? [/end sarcasm])

ANIME and MANGA itself has been inspired by Disney movies. Copying? Maybe. Borrowing ideas? Perhaps. (OOOO. Maybe thought that Antares could've just borrowed the ideas?)

So even drawing, toning, paneling, coloring, all that artists shit... it's copied. It's been done. It's been referenced. "Inspired" as some call it.

OMG. Realism is copying too. And yet it's a widely appreciated form of art.

That goes for photography as well.

What makes manga, even character designs, make it any different as long as it looks good?

So is copying even to the last detail a bad thing? No. It's done everyday. You do it, I do it, everyone freaking does.

Every budding manga artist copied. Whether it be a tutorial online or in a book, or from another artist, or anime...

The list goes ON.

"I don't think it sounded at all like they were commenting as if she'd "ruined their lives"."

Honey, it's called a 'hyperbole'. You learn it in school?

Oh, and for the record, if you had a conscience, maybe you shouldn't have LIED.

Liar.

-_-' (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:08 pm

So... Guest who previously commented above me, are you trying to defend Antares or what?

After looking at the ED article, I think Antares completly over reacted. She should have just admitted that she borrowed/stole/whatever you want to call it and moved on. She's a pretty good artist and it's a shame she's going to remove herself from art communities because of this.

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:22 pm

That depends on how you view it. I am merely stating my opinion of this situation and this unnecessary slashing at Antares.

Most of the slashing is at her because she is A POPULAR ARTIST. If someone else copied, nobody will give a shit about them.

(If you were one of the previous commenter, or "Guest2" who I was talking to, this is to you.) In any case, I like how you completely disregarded my comment and moved to another subject. Bravo. You're a mastermind. (End)

Do you honestly believe Antares would be easily forgiven for copying? No. I don't think so. Not a lot of people are open to this fact, so of course, she will get slashed at even HARDER. That's just how some people are. They'd do anything to bring down someone's reputation.

However, at the same time, I don't believe she has completely removed herself from the art community. She is probably under another alias, and it's probably for the best. It's hard to give up the internet after all.

And if you were a previous fan of hers, I suggest you don't start hunting her down. She'll appreciate it better.

If you're a previous fan and now a hater, well, don't bother searching anyway. You'll probably have little or no luck finding her. Art communities are vast.

kore (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:23 pm

ooh? A fight? woah a fight?

I dont know what all this is about because the length of the fight was boring to me but antares obviously didnt copy anybody so whats the point of this anyway?
I mean you just have to read the comic to tell that the characters are completely original.
:\

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:25 pm

@ Kore: It's better off if you don't know. It's even better if you stayed out of it. It's best if you're so bored with the arguments, that you should dissolve in the background. Srsly. I can picture this argument getting up on ED.

none (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:43 pm

I think the reason why she's being slashed at is because she got popular (for count spades anyway) BECAUSE she took designs from someone else. Everyone thought she was original...

I'll say that 85% of the people on this site look more for the art than story wise...

As an artist at her age (almost 20) and at that art level, she should know better than that. Taking other people's idea AND saying that it's hers is just wrong. She should have given credit or something to the original designers.

"Guest" (Guest), 07 Feb 2008 05:46 pm

>_> Read my other comment that's below Frozen_Shamrocks' comment.

BTW: she got popular because she knew how to use HUMOR, her story was going great, and she was an excellent artist.

Anyone can take original designs.

But you dismissed the fact that she had talent.

Resalan, 07 Feb 2008 06:03 pm

I wonder how many of these "Guests" all have actual accounts and are just afraid to use them? Hahah.

Anyways.
The designs are similar, yes. Whether it was the humor, art, designs, luck, the color purple, or any of that other fluff that made it popular, it was still wrong for her to use the designs. BUT, either way, there's no use arguing over it because she is not going to come back (especially to little fights like these).

I don't know what you all are trying to prove here. Trying to make the blindly following fans see the light? Trying to make the haters realize that her story was still awesome? Bah.

Oh, but I have to say, the Honey/Momiji or whatev comparison comment was lulzworthy. It doesn't take much to just look at the SHOTA archetype in manga and work from it. Oo. They both have blonde hair and brown eyes--I could find a kid on the street I could accuse of copying too.

Peace, love, and bellbottoms.
<3

LadyBow, 07 Feb 2008 06:06 pm

If you really think that everybody steals other people's designs down to the T, do it yourself, and think there's nothing wrong with it..... that's really sad. It doesn't matter to me whether or not Antares is popular. I admit she has spectacular art and a story plenty different than anything that inspired her. That isn't the issue. The issue is simply that she's this talented and still did one little thing that's really just...dissapointing.

LadyBow, 07 Feb 2008 06:15 pm

And if I might add, Resalan, being a guest doesn't always mean people are afraid to put a face to their comments. It's more like...they're not in the mood to get the shit that likely follows when they become "the enemy" and offer a link where people that disagree can unnecessarily bash them on their work.

Resalan, 07 Feb 2008 06:20 pm

I personally believe not giving your name is cowardly, for that reason exactly. If you're going to state your opinion, I think it's honorable to have at least your name beside it. Not that I've never hidden behind a Guest name before, but either way.

But anywho.
That's hardly the point here.

LadyBow, 07 Feb 2008 06:26 pm

The internet isn't honorable. XD
But I still agree with you. Even if she's kind of a theif, I don't see what the point of mentioning it and trying to start a discussion on her comics is going to do.

bayadmuna, 08 Feb 2008 05:19 am

neh... i wonder where she got the idea for the story....

bayadmuna, 08 Feb 2008 07:25 pm

i guess the way she does the comedy part is original, neh....

but the story for september reminds me of neuro... ghost stuck with her and helps her solve the mysteries of the own... wants to find out the truth about her brothers death... the ghost is abusive or somehing...

and scarecrows... they use pleasures to fight the wrath... kinda reminded me of innocence and akuma from d gray man. midnight raiders reminds me of it too... especially the coat...

my girlfriend the superhero... reminded me of uma thurman... even if it wasnt really like that, neh...

now when you think about it... he nly reason why i loved count spades was because of the comedy... dunno about you guys though...

Oo_Orange_oO, 08 Feb 2008 11:11 pm

@w@ LMFAO. WOW. When was this up?? Huhuhu mind if I join? <3 Well I liked Count Spades in the first place because I thought it was funny like Baya. -u- Whatchu guys talkin about??

No offencee........ but I don't really look at characters. o_o LIKE I DO, I HAVE EYES, but like... they're kind of invisible when you're busy reading the dialogue and stuff. AHAHRhahrajksdkajs Kay I don't make sense. SHUTTAP. D: Therefore IDRC about the stealing part LMFAO. xDDD Um.. who really looks at clothes the entire time...?

She did have some originality you guys have to admit. -Gets shoes thrown at me- D: I'M TRYING TO BE NEUTRAL AHHHH. D:

Hmmmm... though I wish that Antares didn't leave completely like that. D: It only makes her look more bait-y. (;;o_o)a Like meat for flamers. She could've just told people sorry or something..... -mumbles, shrugs- I get criticized that I draw like Demon Diary style, but I just say, "Yeah, Kara's my hero! -n- So what?"

@ Ten: o_o I thought she left? She removed like everything in her gallery and stuff. o_o (Unless she has a different account somewhere where she is still updating??? :0)

bayadmuna, 09 Feb 2008 01:46 am

if only she just apologized for stealing and actually made characters and stories that are hers and claimed it's hers and argued with the people who actually noticed her crap instead of running away then she wouldnt be hated this much, neh...

bet she's reading this right now too, neh... damn coward... hope she gets sued...

Oo_Orange_oO, 09 Feb 2008 01:13 pm

>.<;; Mm.. now you just sound a little mean there... >n<;;;; B'sides creating characters are hard. o.o;;;

But yes, I sort of disagree how she just took the design like that..... she should've taken snippets of the costume she liked. AAHAHAHAHHAHA. Then no one would notice! -Shifty eyes- But I don't think she will be reading this. >_<

.......

Like, I wouldn't read it..... Dx

Hokaru, 09 Feb 2008 10:40 pm

*just sitting and reading all the thousands (exagerated number) of comments, rants, and fights* u silly silly people, get over it

blah blah 'Antares copied these people' blah, 'Antares at least had an original story' blah blah blah

*sigh* ...D=

ritsuko, 10 Feb 2008 12:10 am

Hokaru is right. and probably other people, but i got sick of reading all of these arguments! =__=; its sad what people are saying about her now. people are always biased towards their own mangas- she may not have realised how similar it was entirely. Regardless of that- i know how similar it was to D.Gray-man (im a major fan of that) but i dont care. mangas are to be enjoyed and i enjoyed this! XD

ticky, 10 Feb 2008 01:23 am

Oo_Orange_oO; i'm sorry to butt in, but, "creating characters is hard"?? that's your defense? everyone ELSE has to create their own character designs, why should she get excused like that?

but still, i'm a little sad that antares left so completely. she was really talented artwise, honestly.

bayadmuna, 10 Feb 2008 04:26 am

looks like this wont get anywhere till she comes back and say something.....

@Oo_Orange_oO: im pretty sure she's reading this, neh.... it's her comic(sort of) with an argument about what she did happening... if she doesnt even have the guts to look at what people say about her then she's even worse than what the flamers say...

so effin show up already, antares!

Kaja Rainbow, 10 Feb 2008 09:07 am

Meh. Looking at that ED article, it's obvious that she did copy those designs. But, to put it simply, those ED people have no sense of civility--they say things in the rudest ways they can instead of simply pointing those things out. It's a big difference between "Hahaha, you moron, your fly is open and you're a poopyhead for leaving it open!" and a simple "Hey, your fly's open."

Minten, 10 Feb 2008 04:07 pm

Creating characters is hard? o_O
Sorry to say it, Orange. But that sounded.... not smart. Everyone has to creates their own characters.
And so should Antares have done.
In fact, I'm quite sure she did too. Okay, she stole some deisgns, I can't deny that. But the haracters perosonalities then? And the story? And the humour and ALL THE STUFF that made me love this comic to death?
...That article is just stupid. Hacking down on people is just... stupid. I totally agree with the person above me... No wonder she felt bad about reading that. D:

I guess this is quite a pointless thing to say here.. BUt i just wanted to speak my mind for once in a while. I'd love to see her come back... maybe to give us an excuse, change the characters a little and continue as before? That would be wonderful. <3

Oo_Orange_oO, 10 Feb 2008 05:59 pm

@ Ticky: Ooish. Whatchu saying? I said that creating character designs are hard, and it's true. I'm not excusing her for what she did wrong. She probably realized how creating characters were hard, so she took the "easy" way out.

@ Baya: Baya, I'm surprised how you turned against her that easily! D: Why should she read all these mean stuff people are saying to beat herself up even more? The message was already given to her by that ED article. :/

@ Minten: Oi, oi. What the hell? Maybe I was being too vague with that comment. I didn't think it needed explaining. I said that creating characters ARE hard, and maybe Antares knew that so she took the easy way out. (That part was supposed to be sort of assumed?)

If you consider all the things that make a person different appearance-wise, it's hard. I've seen too many comics that have characters that look exactly the same. -0-;;; It's even harder in a black-and-white comic.

I'M SAYING: OKAY. MAYBE ANTARES DECIDED TO CUT CORNERS. I CAN SEE WHY, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG.

Aishhhh, you guys are like ready to tear apart anything right now, aren't you? =_= Sad.

LadeeTom, 10 Feb 2008 08:28 pm

overreacting, much? yes, overreacting.
wow... this is an online comic... online. Its not being sold, she isnt making a profit of off this or anything.
Copying is wrong, yes.
...but frankly this is being way overblown.

bayadmuna, 11 Feb 2008 06:22 am

@orange: i didnt turn against her that easily, you know... if she just copied the designs(and some plots) and didnt run away with some lame excuse like she has an unhealthy lifestyle or something i wouldnt be this mad at her. hell, i even apologized for her once or twice for saying her characters look like whoever. but seeing as how wrong i am for apologizing that much really ticked me off. and that ED article was written by people who hated her. we're fans of her work, or former fan in my case, so she should listen to our opinions because it's a hell lot different than what those flamers say... like what her loyal fan's comments... all im asking for is for her to come back and explain and apologize already! sheesh.... does she even go online these days...??? and not everybody beats themselves up because of some flaming!!

ticky, 11 Feb 2008 11:44 am

btw, it's "is" not "are." orange, antares wasn't exactly dumb. i don't think she would have considered STEALING, INEVITABLY being caught, and her fans being disappointed in her the "easy way out."

and don't tell me i'm ripping apart anything. i'm in SUPPORT of antares, but when you spout bullshit like "creating characters is hard," that's just ridiculous.
if you're suppose to be sticking up for her - you're not helping. you're just making things worse. you're even responding offensively to people who are IN SUPPORT of her. :\

Kizzy, 11 Feb 2008 12:32 pm

>______>; Wow...this thing has gotten so out of hand. At first it didn't seem like something to go apeshit over, and now...all yall are doing is saying the EXACT same things over and over in different ways. Okay, Antares copied, I dont think scaring the shit out of her with these comments is going to make her come back, let alone do anything exept give you a peice of mind and make you feel like you "PWNED" the commenter above you. Honestly...and her excuse, yeah it may have been an excuse, but you gotta admit, getting obese over internet comics IS and unhealthy lifestyle, and if she wants to use that as her excuse, so be it. Getting off of this place is probably one of the best things shes done, seeing as how she can see who really cared about her, thus giving her a chance to change. Hell, she might have even continued or started this comic over with even BETTER characters that are her own, cause I know that she was going to change the characters designs. But no one is seeming to want to really give her that chance :/ Its kind of sad to lose such a great artist to this small community over somethings "fans" say. D8 Its just silly and over the top now.

LadeeTom, 11 Feb 2008 05:36 pm

Go, Kizzy!
I agree completely with everything you've said.

Oo_Orange_oO, 11 Feb 2008 06:38 pm

LOL, "designs" is plural, therefore, "are" LMFAO @ Ticky: -Edited by moi- Okay, it was lengthy so I had to chop it all off. (I can note you what I wrote before if you're interested.)

Let me start over. It looks like you're trying to pick a fight with me, but I'm not interested. Sorry, but I have better things to do. <3 That's not me chickening out. -n- I've dug up a few things about what you are like after typing this out, and now I have a different view. Judging from your past comments on your DA and your comics, this is not your regular self. (Attacking people, hot-headed...) Off day maybe? Or maybe the fact that you have the need to defend Antares in this situation? Either way, it's not gonna get us anywhere, it's not going to benefit anyone, and there are no "wins" or "losses" in arguments like these.

You're either:
1. Bored.
2. Too clouded with anger to think this through.
3. Having a bad day.
4. Some other reason that I can't think of. I'm no psychic.

In any case, I do believe that somewhere inside you, there is a possibility of you being intelligent and nice. (Now I know this will some how be mis-shapened into something ugly, but I mean it in the most sincerest way I can.) If any of what I typed here JUST NOW "offended" you, I'm sorry to hear that, because no offence was intended.

Arguments like these start off with a completely new drama that involves mud-slinging at eachother. -n- I don't need any of that crap. You're one of the last people I'd want to mud-sling with. In any case, I'm done talking with you. Sorry if I sounded snobby at that last phrase, I am trying to be careful with my words now in case of it being mistakened for something else again.

@ Baya: Okay, let me tell you it is offensive to an artist when he/she is accused of her characters looking like ones that were already created. That's like making fun of someone's babies. The mom would beat the shit out of you. BUUUUUUUUT because she DID take the designs, I understand your frustration. You have to understand from where she is standing right now though. She got discovered of her little secret that she hoped no one would find out, then the flamers come in like she feared, and now she feels there is no hope to be forgiven or given another chance of.

UGH. I agree overall, that this is getting out of hand now. I thought it'd be interesting to kill some time by reading comments and pitching in what I've got to say here. I think everyone is just bored, and are all just sucking up the drama as much as they can. The fact that Antares copied is BORING, but the flamers and supporters make it fun to read and comment about. ZOMG. I wonder if I can make a webcomic about this? xDDDDDDDD

Antares MAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIII! (Guest), 11 Feb 2008 08:35 pm

NO. NO. YAOI FANGIRLS SUCK. I loved the art.

I loved the story.

This may have been said over 9000 times, but I hate it when people copy character designs. And I disagree with Orange about,'making characters are hard'.

Of course! But it doesn't mean Antares have to steal someone's else design, slap it on some guy, and said,"HAI EVERY1 DIS IS MAH DEZIN HISS NAEM IS HEARTS!!!11!one I DID NOT COPEE!!1"

Um, no. :|

Either way, I think everything that has been said, has been said.

So what, she copied? She can come up with vivid story ideas, but she lacks creating vivid characters.

ticky, 11 Feb 2008 09:00 pm

LOL uh. no it isn't. say it out loud. read a text book. LMAO orange; yeah, this is over, i'm done with you. you're sayin I'M picking a fight and I'M bored? you "looked me up." you wrote me an essay, dear.

this isn't worth my time.

Zethias, 11 Feb 2008 10:21 pm

Wow! Looking at this page is painful. Sorry for following you in Orange...oO

I must agree with Ticky on your comment though about character designs, although I also see what you're saying yourself.
I believe what you meant was that the process of making original character designs is something that some just don't look forward to. It's not that it's hard to create character designs, it just takes time to create character designs.
You have to ask yourself a bunch of questions like "What has been done before?", "How does this work with this?", ect.
Just wondering if this was what you meant to say?

As for the rest of the discussion on this page. I'm not sure if she said herself that the designs were hers. If so, shame on Antares. She was wrong to do so. End of story. Leave the girl alone!

If she didn't directly say that they were her character designs, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and my guess that she's just drawing what she wants to draw. If she wants to draw her favorite characters or her favorite outfits in her own webcomic, there's nothing wrong with it. She's drawing what she wants to draw and she has the freedom to do so. I can't go against her unless she gives solid evidence herself that she's stealing. As long as she's not saying "It's mine!" I see no reason to prosecute her in any way.

I instead could nicely suggest, 'This comic would look great if you added in some of your own character designs.' If she doesn't want to do so however, it's her freedom as the artist of this comic to draw what she wants. It's wrong for her to use the character designs and claim them as her own. It's not wrong of her to want to use her favorite designs as long as she's not charging people to read the comic or saying that she does indeed own them.

As for ED...I go there to see what they say about SJ every so often because I do find what they post there to be funny. Some of it's true, a lot of it is opinionated, but it's not like it actually changes what I believe about the people they're targeting. If anything, they're only helping me to see how some people react under not even the harshest possible criticism. The fact that they're drawing out the worst of some people on SJ is truly amazing. Harsh words do hurt, but getting worked up over people who are just giving their opinion is a little stupid. Everyone has an opinion. Some people are jerks or just like to say things in a jerk like manner. Just ignore them if you don't like them.

Sorry if anything typed here offends anyone in anyway.

Oo_Orange_oO, 11 Feb 2008 11:47 pm

Mm-hmm~ That's nice hon. <33 Zomg since when did "creating a character is hard" thing become such a topic? =n= I didn't even put that much thought into it, and I didn't think it would be taken so seriously, but people are looking even further into it than what was intended, trying to correct grammar or whatnot, picking such piteous things.....

Did that little comment ignite so much fire? -_- Did no one read the capitalized words, "OKAY. MAYBE ANTARES DECIDED TO CUT CORNERS. I CAN SEE WHY, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG"? Was my comment, the one I meant to say lightly, that was NOT directed at ANY of you, THAT ridiculous?

SERIOUSLY, LOOSEN UP. TAKE A JOG IN THE PARK. I swear, if I wrote something like, "Cows in space", everyone would be like, "wut r u seyin? u tryin to say sumthing? bring it on!!!"

It wasn't SUPPOSED to be a debate question. I'm sick of this, why does it feel like all this anger is hurling towards me? -_- Focus it on something else.

bayadmuna, 12 Feb 2008 02:56 am

and so the subject changes.....

hey, as of now this page has 86 comments....^^

Oo_Orange_oO, 12 Feb 2008 07:54 am

=n= Glad it did change... Graww. It was about time.

What do you guys want when she comes back anyway? Just an apology? -n-;;

Personally, I just want her back so I can talk to her again. :/ I don't care that she copied anymore LOL, it's not even such a big deal as people are making it out to be.

bayadmuna, 13 Feb 2008 02:21 am

lol.... now the subject is about character making, neh....^^; ah, well.... i guess it can be hard depending on who makes them....

i just want her to apologize. we cant really beat her up on the net. not physically anyway....

Resalan, 13 Feb 2008 01:40 pm

Okay, I think we get it by now.
-Antares should apologize, IF she plans on coming back to her loyal fans. But if she doesn't, then get over it, I'm sure you all aren't losing sleep over this.
...
That sounds like a pretty good summary to me.

So lets leave it at that, leave Count Spades and Antares alone, and move on with our lives yah?

Lets shoot for:
No. More. Posts.

<3

DakuDaku, 14 Feb 2008 04:43 pm

*insists on posting anyway* I'm sorry...*sobsob* I couldn't resist.

euuuphie (Guest), 16 Feb 2008 12:48 am

I just scanned through the page but is there like... a chat going on in the comments? O_o

Anyway Antares I really hope you update soon!!! ;_____; Lovely comic!

EDIT: okay wow, I just got clued in in all the drama. I'm kind of... speechless at the accused theivery, but really this wouldn't look so terrible if Antares would come back and tell her side?
Otherwise, all signs are pointing in a rather bad direction.

Say it ain't so, Antareees! ;;

xkrazydog, 19 Feb 2008 12:38 am

Wowz, I am quite disappointed, but when everyone says "She copied a character design, its not a huge deal, its a mistake" thats... not good. It IS a big deal.
Cuz in my eyes, thats like plagiarism. What happens when you plagiarise a paper? You are immediately booted out of college. Plagiarism is basically art theft. And I can see why people are pissed because not only is this comic one of the most popular ones, but she ripped off the designs which pretty much attracted a majority of us in the first place.

I mean... as an artist, seriously, how would you feel if you made something, copyrighted it or published it, and found it meant nothing?

On one side, I'm appalled and i believe she really should apologize to her fans for misleading them.

But on the other, atleast she didnt copy the story 100%. If its a vague copy (i.e : cliche) then that may be overlooked, but this is a bit too far seeing as how she copied multiple designs.
...

TacoTotes, 20 Feb 2008 06:47 pm

I agree with xKrazydog on this one, what she did was wrong, she doesn't want to apologize or admit to it so she's staying away. It's a shame I actually really liked this comic.

about copying a story 100% was she copying a story at all?? I don't believe I've heard of anything of the sort, but I've been out of the anime world for a while so I have no idea.

bayadmuna, 21 Feb 2008 02:53 am

And so it begins.... Again.... Neh...

TacoTotes, 21 Feb 2008 04:29 pm

haha yeah time to end this...how many comments are on this page? yikes

how about those Giants?

bayadmuna, 22 Feb 2008 03:01 am

96. and counting, neh.

Fenri (Guest), 27 Mar 2008 01:53 am

#97

Personally, I don't care (:
Her comic rocked balls over balls, and I was sad that it got taken down.

Come back soon Antares~ (cause I wanna see Narison's comics too ;_; )

tedmo, 28 Mar 2008 09:48 pm

Damn....
Antares, I can't believe this.
I'm not even mad. I'm just totally disappointed.
The characters that I'd come to know and love were all just some copy. I just can't believe this.
I had no doubt in my mind that you were going to be one of the greats some day.
I've lost all respect for you.
Not only because you copied your character designs, but beacuse you're cowering like this.
It would be different if you'd of manned up and said "I made a mistake." But you don't.
How can we trust you again?
For all we know the story was a copy, too.
You hide underneath this bull shit about needing time off.
You need to give your fans at least a decent explanation.

Guest, 05 Apr 2008 05:47 pm

Actually, the "Castle of Forgetfulness" is a hell lot like Castle Oblivion in Kingdom Hearts without a creative name(no surprise.)

SakuraTenshi, 07 Apr 2008 11:36 am

....ok, FIRST OF ALL: Antares is NOT running away. HER WEB HOST IS HAVING PROBLEMS WHICH IS AFFECTING HER COMICS.

and just because she copied something (and I'm NOT saying she did) doesn't mean it's bad. yes, people copy things when they draw but that's either because:

1: they don't know what to draw
2: they might be trying to get new ideas
3: they're trying to develop their art skills and styles
4: they really want to copy and don't care if they do

but if anything, it's probably because of the first 3 for Antares.

heck, even I copy sometimes, but that's only because I'm trying to DEVELOP my art style and skills. there's nothing wrong with PRACTICE.

THAT GOES FOR STORY LINES, SETTINGS, ETC.

at least she has TALENT, SKILLS, AND THE INSPIRATION TO WANT TO MAKE A MANGA.

if we didn't have inspiration, then how else could we develop our skills?

it definitely isn't gonna pop out of no where one day. that only happens if you're really some creative Einstein, but 'even Einstein asked questions'. that's just like saying 'even all artists copy'.

there's practically NO WAY anyone could think of something original unless they've had INSPIRATION.

and maybe some people aren't good at making things up on their own. SOMETIMES THEY NEED SOMETHING TO HELP THEM WITH WHAT THEY NEED HELP ON. (EXP: LIKE THE FIGHTING SCENES. if she's not in anything like martial arts then there's almost no way she'd be able to make up fight scenes on her own unless she's watched or read fighting scenes; or she's just really that creative)

personally, to me, it's the desire to want to make something of your talents, not whether to waste them and not use them at all just because they're copying, stealing, etc.

IF AN ARTIST (ETC.) CAN'T USE THEIR TALENTS DUE TO WORTHLESS THINGS LIKE SLASHING AND CRITICISM (although crits do help when you're trying to develop something), THEN THEY'RE PRACTICALLY BEING FORCED TO THROW AWAY THEIR TALENT.

WHICH IS NOTHING BUT A WASTE.

AND IT HURTS THE ARTIST'S FEELINGS WHEN PEOPLE DO THINGS SUCH AS THAT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING.

so seriously, let her use her talents to try to make something of herself. I don't even see any copying from what I've read. seriously, if you have a problem with it then just STOP WASTING YOUR TIME TRYING TO BRING AN ARTIST WITH A TALENT DOWN.

TRY PUTTING YOURSELF IN HER SHOES INSTEAD OF GIVING FULL-OUT CRITICISM.

AT LEAST SHE HAS THE HEART TO TAKE HER TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING OF HER TALENTS AND HERSELF.

also, there's nothing wrong with different opinions, but if they're as harsh as this, then that's just cruel. would you like it if someone did just as you're doing to you? I think not.

(also, I agree with Zethias!)

and I apologize if I offended anyone. I don't intend to do things such as that.

tedmo, 07 Apr 2008 05:44 pm

There is nothing wrong with copying to get better. BUT-
There is something wrong with copying an ENTIRE FRANCHISE's characters, and THEN calling them your own.
THAT IS WRONG.
And don't give me that crap about her not running away. Don't you think thats a little convenient?!
"Ooops, my web server messed up, and would ya look at that all my comics are gone."
Then she gets exposed on ED.
Thats BULL.
She ran away on DA as well.
Don't you find that the least suspicious?!
And she did not have INSPIRATION. Bitch had STICKY FINGERS, and a decent art style to cover it up.
WE are just acting the way we would to ANY artist who would steal character designs, and then call them their own.
It would be different if Antares herself would just be honest with us and say "These character designs are not originally mine."
But she didn't.
And THAT is why she is wrong.
And for you to defend her acts, you are saying that it is okay to steal someone elses work.
I can see copying and working to get better, I can understand doing fanart of someone elses work to get better and then giving them the credit.
But, that is NOT what Antares did.
She stole. And even a CHILD knows, and could tell you, that stealing is wrong.
By running away, Antares is telling us "Screw you."
Even tho, WE ARE YOUR FANS, and you wouldn't BE here without us(even if you don't deserve it), you just cower and can't even offer us an explanation.
I have lost my respect for her. And rightly so.
And if she was TRYING, she could come up with some decent story and characters. BUT SHE IS NOT TRYING.
She is taking the EASY way out and stealing someone else's hard work.
How could you defend someone lacking that much integrity?

guest ¬¬ (Guest), 09 Apr 2008 07:53 pm

Oh God.
I must agree that what Antares did wasn't something nice.
She did copyed something, claiming it as her own, even if it wasn't.
Althought she didn't copyed it all, like xkrazydog said.

I know plagiarism is absolutely wrong, stealing someone else's ideas too, but come on.
Tell me if your lives are going to change if you keep posting something here.
Yeah, I may sound contraditory,
but are your whole life going to be sadder or happier if you keep telling that she've stole something or that she haven't?
Are you IQ going to increase after all of this?
Are any of you the authors of the 'original' images that Antares 'stole'?

She did the right think leaving the site.
And I think we all should keep living our lives.
Sheesh.

vahnm, 09 Apr 2008 10:17 pm

Hayguys. I started reading this months ago. I thought her art was crisp... And her designs were original.

It's a damn shame her designs were taken from other things... mostly because they were key to her art.

And no, it's not that damn hard to make character designs. Maybe it's because I sew a lot, I can shit out designs like no tomorrow...

Not. all. artists. copy. Saying so is a cheap way to make yourself feel better when you do it. There is a factor of inspiration, and sometimes, people end up drawing something that looks similar to something else they may or may not have seen... That's coincidence, but if it's almost every character, that's not coincidence at all... In fact, most coincidences aren't coincidence at all.

Learn on your own. Maybe most of us started from copying, but we progressed and got better through our own critiquing.

There's so much caps... seriously, guys... You can't hide the truth. And honestly, she could have easily apologized, designed the characters herself, and continued on...

Edit: My goodness. I didn't notice how many typos and how much incorrect grammar plagues the comments last night... Was I really that tired?

"Are you IQ going to increase after all this," I hope yours does. I can understand if you're trying to type dramatically, but... holy shit, seriously? I thought it'd be "Is your IQ going to raise after all of this?" Honey, don't worry--it's not just you that needs to work on your grammar... I'm just pointing out that good grammar helps you. Trust me, look at your comments closely before posting...

And use logic before emotion. Running completely on emotion gets you in trouble. Mmmhm.

bayadmuna, 09 Apr 2008 11:26 pm

huh.... so it still goes on...^^;

Narison, 11 Apr 2008 01:06 am

LOLOL I'm remembered. ; ; That makes me happy in the midst of this sad circumstance. Antares and I had a sort of popular-comic-artist bond for a while, and I respected her as a fellow artist. After coming back from my personal stuff and seeing this made me sad. D: I won't say much because I believe what I feel has been said. It's just so unfortunate.

China (Guest), 15 Apr 2008 09:47 am

I had a dream last night that Lala and I were in the castle and Count Spades was missing somewhere in there. We were looking for him and for some reason the twins were helping us. And I was running all over calling out for Smiley 'cause I thought he knew where Spades was!

*sigh*

I just wish Antares would come back and finish it, even if the characters had different designs.

tedmo, 16 Apr 2008 08:35 pm

Yeah, me too. I don't hate her. I think she could do it. I beleive in her. I mean, she could even keep the desings as long as she asked permission of the company and made sure we all knew she was using them.
I think her art rocked.
She just needs to take a break.

*Suki*, 24 Apr 2008 10:38 pm

Sorry to say tedmo, but I read that she's changing her IM and E-mail, and deleting her SJ and dA accounts too. Rather than stepping up to the situation and apologizing, she's just....running away.
It's not really considered a break for her anymore, it's more like a 'Silent Forever Farewell'.

Fundi_mental, 08 May 2008 01:19 am

yeah well... problem is everyone is inspired by different things. If she was inspired by these so called characters then let it be. noone should be harrassed because they started something,it turned out to be popular, and now everyone is gripping. If you don't like it then oh well. I love this story and I hope that she ignores most of the rude comments on this page. I am a true fan and I hope she stays with the plot.

tedmo, 13 May 2008 08:06 pm

Everyone keeps saying "inspired". "Oh she's not a thief, she was just inspired"
I'm sorry, but I'm a decent enough artist to know there is a difference between being inspired and just taking the designs of another artist.
Don't you get it?
Some one had to practice hours and hours, put their whole soul into the characters that Atares just stole. A living breathing person drew those designs.
Do you think good character designs just fall out people's asses?
It takes time and dedication, something Antares just didn't have.
She didn't say, "I'm using {artist name}'s character design, here check them out, I think their awesome!"
She just took them. It takes alot hard work to make character designs. And artist put alot of love into the characters they create.
Antares just saw them and took what she saw.
Inspiration is seeing a red flower and then taking that mental image and creating a boy with red hair.
Inspiration is not seeing another artist character and then taking their look for yourself.
It's just NOT.
Why do you think she dissapeared like this? Because she knows what she did was wrong.
But I'm thru explaining it.
If you guys can't get that STEALING is WRONG, well then thats a personal issue, and I'm not a therapist.
Message me at DA, if you have any quilms, I'm outta here, being around this stolen character comic is making me sick.

Tolneir, 16 May 2008 10:39 pm

Wow... you're all still arguing about this? Can't you just... let it die already?

Angy (Guest), 19 May 2008 04:46 pm

Your one to talk, why'd you come back to check the page, you're obviously interested in it too.

Key (Guest), 20 May 2008 11:36 am

@bayadmuna:

One of the FIRST STEPS to learning how to draw, is to COPY. Or, trace. My sister, who is a wonderful anime artist, and can draw practicaly any style, started out learning by COPYING INUYASHA. She would find a good picture of him, print it out, and then draw, not trace, a copy of it, until she could draw him without needing a picture to look at. After a few years, you couldn't even recognize that it's still the same person drawing. She's started to draw several manga, and has actually finished a few of them. OBVIOUSLY, you can find an anime character SOMEWHERE that looks like one of hers. Sometimes I will start reading a manga, and notice one of the characters in it look a lot like one of hers. What's really intresting is the fact that either 1, said sister had never seen the manga before she made her person, or 2, the manga was written AFTER she'd made her person. And she never puts her art on the internet, so there's no way the mangaka could have copied from her. I've noticed a lot of art looks very simalar.

And, just because someone copies someone elses style, it DOESN'T mean they're STEALING. It's a sign that they really respect that artist.

tedmo, 21 May 2008 02:29 pm

Sweety, this is not copying.
All the characters that look like these ones in this comic are from the SAME FRANCHISE.
Nitro+
You can look it up.
Now if I started a comic with a boy with doggy ears and long white hair who was half demon, wouldn't tht be suspicious?

Now, I copy to get better, too.
But I would never, EVER, copy and then post it as my OWN.

That is wrong.

She went to the Nitro+ web page and STOLE those character designs.

Stealing is taking something without permission.

Obviously Antares didn't ask the artist nor the company if she could use the character designs.
Nor did she tell us that the designs were not originally hers.

Now I'm not saying that every character that looks like another character is stolen. But the ones Antares took were stolen.
The characters all came from the same site.
That is way too suspicious. Thats no coincidence.

And if that is not enough, she vanishes as soon as the news gets out that she stole.

So even she could probably tell you she stole.
If she didn't then why did she run away?
Why didn't she tell all of us what you are telling us now?

Because she did wrong.

@Angy (guest)

I agree, the people who keep telling us to "leave it alone" keep coming back to this page as well.
It's really hypocrytical.
Oh well, like I said I'm done, I'm Tedmo @ DA, if you got anymore fuss with me.
Tedmo out

Angy (Guest), 07 Jun 2008 10:08 am

LOL.

Kiary, 08 Jun 2008 12:08 am

I have never read the story but i like reading these comments lol but anyway if i can put in my own two cents, i think that copying the characters was wrong yes but we shouldn't beat her up for it :( yes i also think she should of done something like apologize Still i don't think all of you faved the comic just for it's ART alone the storyline couldn't been copied completely too... right anyway just ignore me i've said wati've wanted to say :)and wats the point of carrying this on unless to entertain people who like a good argument >_<

Pandachu, 08 Jun 2008 05:38 am

Seriously, can someone tell me . . . Where I can find/read the manga that the original "count spades"(I don't know his name) comes from because I've been reading a lot of these comments, and that nitro+ site isn't helping because I only read english. D: I wanted to read it so bad after I saw a short comic in the back of . . . I think it was zatch bell . . . that had a character who looked exactly like count spades, down to the chain around his waist . . . except this one had more piercings and no STML. So, I'm pretty sure it's the same guy . . .

So, does anyone know what these animes/mangas are called? (and are they in english at all for that matter)

Guest, 10 Jun 2008 09:32 pm

Ugh...this is so gay, this comic lacked some serious originality in the basically all of its design. The story wasn't as original as you'd may think and...bah this just sucked...

anime-honeybee, 11 Jun 2008 07:24 pm

haha there are some pretty interesting arguments on this page. Since it doesn't look like she has any intention of returning, I guess there's no harm. Anyways, I just wanted to say as far as referencing vs. stealing and what the difference is; its the value of the idea. If she (as it would seem) took from these designs their idea and claimed them as her own, then it is stealing. It is, as has been said, like when you are in high school or post secondary; plagiarism is a serious offense with serious consequences. I think most of us are old enough to know that. It's like this; when you write a paper you can look up similar papers or famous authors to see what kind of style they used to write their paper. The basic structure, the tense used, etc. What you get in trouble for is taking ideas and information (basically the hard work of others) and passing it off as your own. If you disagree that this is a problem, please honestly think to yourself: "If someone on smackjeeves posted a comic with characters that were unmistakably copied from my characters and said that they came up with the ideas all by themselves, would I feel like I had been wronged?"
Also, I only read a few pages of this comic before it disappeared, could someone like the last guest tell me what if anything about the story was unoriginal? I hadn't heard much about that aspect of this ordeal. ^^

Ansen2345, 15 Jun 2008 04:18 pm

goddammit, people
reading this makes me sick
honestly, I have no artistic ability; henceforth, I'm a spriter
I honestly think that if this person's art was copied; WHO GIVES A SHIT!?
she changed it, spriters do that all the time, it's called editing
COPYING is when you steal-not someone's art, no, if they didn't want that stolen, why post it on something as accessible as the INTERNET- but when you steal someone's WRITING, and as far as I know, whic honestly, I can't say is much, this comic MAY have had an original story, though as a Kingdom Hearts fan, I should slap Antares for using a bad rip-offish name like the castle of forgetfullness, OBVIOUSLY a ripoff of Castle Oblivion
if you "Steal", per se, someone's artistic design, I say, if you make it SOMEWHAT ariginal, it's fine with me
if you use it as inspiration, fine with me
as I see it, it wasn't direct plagiarism, which I can't honestly SEE, now, can I? but, honestly, people, this is vomit-inducing.
go get a life.
Ansen out

anime-honeybee, 16 Jun 2008 07:30 pm

To be fair Ansen, if we need to get a life, then so do you for reading all this and spending time replying. ;D you may not have ever had something stolen, but it does hurt. And if you don't believe it's a big deal, take a look at the history of intellectual property and see how mere "copying" can ruin reputations and careers, can result in lawsuits for huge sums of money. You may not realize this, but in most countries, the second you give an idea a physical expression (aka write it down even on a scrap of paper) it gains a manner of copyright automatically. Just because people publish their work on the internet does not give anyone a right to take it. And as for changing things, that's not what people are upset about. As was stated time and time again, people are mad because she DID NOT ADMIT to taking her ideas from others. Regardless of the changes she made to the designs, she let people think that she came up with them all by herself, and THAT is wrong.

kay osse, 16 Jun 2008 10:09 pm

this is retarded. i came to see what was up with cout spades... and found THIS.

i began to read it because it was interesting. ten it got kind of funny. then it just got stupid.

GIVE IT UP. EVERYONE GETS THE POINT. SHE WAS WRONG, SHE RAN AWAY, END OF STORY.

random guest (Guest), 17 Jun 2008 06:24 pm

wow I just find it rather amusing: I have this site saved under favs because I used to read Count Spades, then go from here to read other comics on Smackjeeves. Now that it's gone, I'm too lazy to change the fav link, and everytime I get on here it seems like someone comments everyday. Yeah, I guess I just contributed to this problem...but it's interesting to me how many times someone says 'drop it' and sure enough there are more comments afterwards XD I guess next time I want to read a comic and use this link I'll look for some comment yelling at me.

knull, 18 Jun 2008 12:19 am

*yells at the random guest*

YESSS. i just contributed to the problem.

-out

pelikan (Guest), 24 Jun 2008 05:37 pm

oh dear, a TL;DR o.o
But leaving the stolen designs and stuff, did ANYONE save the pages?It would've been nice ya know :|

LadyBow, 26 Jun 2008 09:57 pm

I have an undying need to comment again.

Lots of people draw fanart and copy other things when learning how to draw. It's completely true; I did it, you did it... Antares probably did it long ago... But um... uhh. Does anybody notice that this doesn't apply for someone who's now drawing nearly professional looking mangas on a website? This comic clearly isn't practice. Antares doesn't need help like that. And frankly, nobody actually associated with a comic industry gives a ding-dangle shit if she has talent. Lots of people have talent in the real world. If you're caught snatching anybody's copyrighted designs, you get what you were asking for.

And. If you can't see the huge coincidence in her art and the Nitro+ game characters....please die in a fire.

bayadmuna, 03 Jul 2008 04:17 am

126 comments! 8D

Lol. Let's go for fifty! XDDD

random guest (Guest), 06 Jul 2008 03:04 pm

I return. And I believe I just added the 127th comment? Go me! Now off to my comics.

Save a rainforest!

TacoTotes, 17 Jul 2008 10:10 pm

I can't believe I even bother but hell, I just remembered this comic cause it came up as a donator comic, was wondering if it was back. Guess not.

I would really like to see someone else attempt/finish this story, seeing that it will never be finished. Then again, maybe this story already exists somewhere.

tedmo, 25 Jul 2008 06:44 am

#129 http://www.ntv.co.jp/neuro/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majin_Tantei_N%C5%8Dgami_Neuro


Okay, somebody said they were interested in the actual "Count Spades" aka Neuro?

I don't really know if the stories are the same. I didn't really check. But who cares.
But just in case anyone was interested.

aisiyupi, 26 Jul 2008 06:15 am

Only antares knows if she copied art or not.
And she will most likely never tell us.

knull, 09 Aug 2008 03:38 pm

Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro is VERY old and hasn't been subbed by any of the well known fansub groups, I don't think. Antares probably didn't think anyone would recognize it.
I do remember it now though. One of the opening songs was by Nightmare.

Solo Azume, 09 Aug 2008 04:44 pm

eh..not true.. So Spades is a guy with multi-colored hair and sharp teeth...
Just because Neuro has that to, doesn't mean that she copied....Great mind think alike, and since Neuro is so little known here in America, it's likely she hasn't even heard of it.....
but it is possible she copied. We'd never know, but I believe i her ^D^-

tedmo, 12 Aug 2008 08:58 am

*facepalm* http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Smackjeeves#Antares

Zhai, 14 Aug 2008 01:26 pm

Can't believe I actually read this whole page and, on top of that, commenting, but oh well.

This pretty much sucks. I really really liked her art and thought she would go far . But... this...this is just... I dunno. I'm just disappointed, just like some other people here.

Anyway, about the whole copying thing, I don't take characters completely from something, mostly, I take one trait, and the character usually makes up her own personality (I know this sounds weird XD But it's just, you know, gawd, I just can't explain it. The character forms itself, kinda.). For example, I gave one of my characters a trait of myself, lazyness XD and through the sketching and scripting and whatever, the character got smart, laid-back etc.

TerminalMontage, 16 Aug 2008 01:11 am

LOL SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SPRITERS AND ARTISTS DOING THE SAME THING??
LOL NO.
Okay, so this person "copied" something, but he/she drew it her own way :l
A spriter, takes a sprite, and adds words. TA DA. It's finished and takes up 75% of this site.



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I don't think it's possible to be completely original anymore, but some things stick out and/or are rarer than others... ///blabbing ignore plz

And someone should make an encyclopediadramatica about me! 8D

kouryu, 17 Aug 2008 03:41 pm

uh..u people are all wierd...who cares that much if she copied the character designs? there's no profit in this for her, and the people who are upset are either:
1. people who dont even know her, but are for some reason dissappointed b/c of the whole cpoying thing,
2. people who dont like copying and likes to pretend they dont do it
3.her fans who are soo into her comics they they dont want to belive she's doiny anything wrong.

this is ridiculosuly long too. copying is wrong...yay. now get over it people. u dont even KNOW her.

TerminalMontage, 08 Sep 2008 12:27 am

darn i got banned from encyclopedia dramatica

tedmo, 14 Sep 2008 04:49 pm

LOL @Kouryu: You have no idea to what extent these people "know" antares.
Not all of us are ass kissing fans. Some of us DID look forward to Antares work and appreciated her as a person.
And hun, you don't have to know someone personally to be dissapointed when they do something wrong.
Lets take Miyazaki as an example. He's an amazing artist. But I don't know the guy personaly or anything, I just love his work.
Now lets say it turns out he steals his work from 12 year olds....weither I know the man or not this new information would completely change the way I looked at him. I would loose respect. And rightly so.
And we don't dislike copying we dislike stealing. Which is what Antares did.
She stole....and for her fans who love her work to a personal extent, it is a harsh blow.

And would everyone stop acting like they're the "voice of reason" by telling us all to "leave it alone" or "get over it".
Personally I think we're all pathetic for even commenting on this page.
Antares is probably never coming back. She is being a coward. And her lack of effort for us fans and this comic just shows us she will remain one.
Now this little pathetic, non-ass-kissing fan is dun FOR REAL this time. I have my own comic to work on....it has OC's that are completely original....until ED rats me out, of course XD


God bless.

coute, 17 Sep 2008 02:23 am

Wow, I just read all the comments here and the encyclopediadramatica smackjeeves page, it was really entertaining.

Sorry but, the character designs were painfully obviously ripped off. That wasn't cool, Antares.

xfans - 1

A Guest (Guest), 17 Sep 2008 06:25 pm

Man, encyclopediadramatica is one harsh critic. Seriously, I'm trying to figure out if it was written by younglings who use this as a cyber bully technique or teens who have nothing else better to do than to sarcastically put down work. I mean, I don't like yaoi and all the stuff they're putting down either but you don't see me making an entire page dedicated to it. Meh, but whatever.

Half of me is kinda curious what they'd say about my work since they seem to be the 'queens of proper manga' XD

tedmo, 19 Sep 2008 06:01 am

I, personally LOVE encyclopedia dramatica.
I would die from happiness if they were to negatively critisize my crap on their site
"her comic is cliche and her character development is nonexistant..."
LOL, my dream come true.

ticky, 01 Oct 2008 06:25 pm

i think it might have been brought up before, but is there any ~kind fan~ that perhaps obsessively saved all the pages? i-i'd actually really like to reread this.

catqueen13, 02 Oct 2008 04:53 am

Thanks a lot guys. Here I was waiting a whole fucking year for a great artist to come back and update again when you guys run her out. I am sick and tired of listening to you fight over whether she copied the art or not! Just give it a rest! You drove her away are you happy now?!

Also, that encyclopedia dramatica shit really lowered my self esteem. It made me wonder if I could ever post something here again. It made a broad generalization and did it back it up with facts? No! There are plenty of popular comics here that DONT have to do with yaoi or sprites or whatever! Can't you guys just read a comic for the fun of it? It makes me fucking sick to know that there are people out there that would go so far as to post a encyclopedia dramatica article like that! For the world to see!

So thanks a lot. Jerks.

Yoon-jung, 03 Oct 2008 01:34 am

In my opinion, mostly everyone here is wrong. D:
The haters are wrong for overly hating this comic...it had its good points too. = _ ="
The defenders of this comic are wrong because she obviously copied, and it IS wrong to copy, yet they're defending her copiness.
I wish she would come back to this comic, but with new character designs D:
Like someone said, she could've came back to apologize at least.
Then it probably wouldn't have gotten so far. this "argument". D:
and one more comment to add that's not really relevant:
it's kind of stupid to get on somebody's case for wrong spelling on the internet D: it happens. a LOT. and it annoys the heck out of me when people get all fussy about it. - . -"
"oooh! you forgot the 'r' to your!"
...
yeah, that last part was random. :]
sorry. V.V

Random Guest (Guest), 05 Oct 2008 04:18 pm

No, this is random:

SAVE A RAINFOREST!

or

YOU HAVE A FACE ON YOUR HEAD!

tedmo, 20 Oct 2008 08:24 pm

@ catqueen13 oH HO HO!
it is not our fautl if that grown women can't face a bunch of fangirls and say she's sorry.

She decided to leave and NEVER return as soon as the truth came out on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
She left EVERYTHING. We hadn't even posted the truth when she decide to split town.
So shut the truck up, cause it's not our bad, AAANNND if your self esteem is so low that you'd get crushed by a bunch of weeboos on the intranet then thats not ED's fault, sounds like you neeed to work on you.

@ EVERYONE who don't know this already-
Encyclopedia Dramatica is for the LULZ. Why get so offended by people who you don't even know? Or by peole who don't know you?
Who gives a flynig marshmellow what ED thinks?
Just draw your fucking artz, do your best, and do a bow when ED makes it's rounds.

@Yoon-jung
Thank you sweety.
Next person who tells me I spelled something wrong is getting shot with a hippo.

OH! Random Thought!

Barack The Vote!

...
okay I'm leaving now XD

narucat (Guest), 20 Oct 2008 10:45 pm

pfft... tee hee......o.M...G!!! hahahahahahhahahha! i cant believe this, all of this shit! even though i dont read count spades, i appreciate the comic for its art and all of the comics i see! i read that very...umm...detailed page about the comics here on smackjeeves, and to be truthful all of us are full of shit (its just one of those times...). making comics and art is suppose to be fun, its not about bitchin and whose the better artist and copying this or that. Now this ED person? has every right to say wat she wants becuz it floats her boat. but does that really have to sink everyone else's boat? hell no! doing art and making comics is about doing wat makes u happy and not having to meet everyone's expectations. MEET UR OWN! ed wrote some funny shit, no doubt it made me laugh, but to be truthful....if we all havent noticeed... isnt almost everything copied and cliched? cliche is not a bad word u know.

narucat (Guest), 20 Oct 2008 10:59 pm

pfft...cont. here r us examples of copies and cliches
copies:
in inuyasha - thier wacDonalds looks alot like macdonalds...
fanart, fan comics, fan fiction
now for the cliches:
fruits basket
inuyasha
yu-gi-oh
sailor moon
DBZ
drama-con
hot gimmick
even some literary stuff! have yall forgotten or ever learned of the term archtypes, or maybe tragic heros, fat fatal (cant remember how to spell it)
ANYTHING! ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THIS FREAKIN WORLD IS A COPY OF OR INSPIRED BY SOMETHING ELSE! so really, this is not suppose to be an issue! oh god....i did it again didnt i? yallz got me all ruffled, no more out of mouth tonight! if yallz got anything to say, go on n say cuz i dont have any right to stop u, this is my opinion......goodnight to uuuu!!!!

Loverofpiggies, 21 Oct 2008 12:46 am

Yoon-jung made a good point.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HER YOU OVERLY OBSESSED FOLLOWERS.

And to all the people randomly hating the comic... well, meh, I didnt care for the comic anyway.

But I do agree that just because you're a fan of a comic artist doesnt mean you have to blindly believe she's an effin saint.

Thats what people did to the Bizenghast artist and it pissed me off like none other.

Get over it. She copied, BLATANTLY. She didnt 'get an idea' off something else, she STOLE it, and copied and pasted someone elses hard worked on design on her own crap. She also RAN AWAY the moment it got out. SUSPICIOUS ANYONE?? Does there have to be any more of a smack in the face to get this into your heads?

Wake up and smell the roses. Your artist BLATANTLY copied. Get over yourselves and REALIZE that already. I wouldnt be ticked off at her if she apolygized and EXPLAINED herself, but instead she ran away and hid herself. WOWZA. She's so mature.

I can think of a simular experience, where I found out almost a year after creating my character that he looked just like some guy from some dumb anime I dont care about. I didnt know about the anime but I also said TO MY FANS I didnt much care, and just because they looked simular they werent the same character. And that I never meant to have my characters look like anyone else. It was purely coincidental.

That is a BIG difference from what she did. She went "OH HEY, cool character designs! Well since I'm so uncreative or lazy, I'll just take them! And as an artist I should KNOW how bad art theft feels, but blah I dont care! Dop de dop, oh no! Someone found out about my horrably obvious villanious plot! I must run away now!"

Um, so yeah thats exactly what she did. I overly dramatized it, but in the end, thats all she did. She stole, she knew she stole, she obviously didnt have time to care about the artists she stole from and she obviously wasnt adult enough to apolygize. She's an art theif, and a coward.

No amount of 'amazing art' (Or stolen art) should justify that.

Owned.

Also, LAWLZ to Narucat. All that stuff you named you named purely for the plot, none of it had anything to do with the art. So its pretty much pointless to bring those up. Cliche =/= art theft.

And the copies? Who cares if Inuyasha has a company called Wacdonalds in the show? Its a reference to an existing place, not a COPY. Fanart, Fan comics, and fan fiction, are where FANS ADMIT THEY BORROWED FROM A SERIES FOR THEIR ART OR STORIES.

She just stole.

Think up a better arguement before you go ranting in here.

godess539 (Guest), 21 Oct 2008 06:49 am

... i feel sick....i can't believe this...man, everyone seems like a know it all when something like this pops up...i know wat website im not coming back to.

Loverofpiggies, 21 Oct 2008 07:03 am

Godess: Um yeah this would happen on any website. If this happened on drunk duck I'm certain the very same thing would happen. People arent different on different websites.

Especially bigger websites. People are upset because she ran off without an apolygy, and other people are blindly following her. Then you have the lot that just hate her.

Yeah. You'd see that anywhere. I've found alot of really awsome people on this site that would make me never want to move on to another site.

Dont judge a whole website by one incident.

godess539 (Guest), 21 Oct 2008 07:08 am

...cont oh its not for this comic that im leaving, its just...all of the negative things i've seen happen now, its sorta of my religion is why im wantin to leave, and no its not a major religion, im not muslim catholic, baptist or wickin or whateva. well yeah, im just going now so bye

Loverofpiggies, 21 Oct 2008 07:13 am

Okay thats fine, the only negative things I've seen on this site are the bad yaoi artists insanely popular for no good reason. :/ Well I guess thats one huge negative thing.

Anyway, if you want to move on thats cool, I just wanted to tell you that we arent all bad. I'm a really nice person myself, but this issue was a 'pet peeve' that made me act different then who I normally am.

Anywho, enjoy whatever website you go to. :3

Gin.Rummy, 25 Oct 2008 04:39 am

Wow... this should be a recorded meme: "Post a hate/love letter on the Count Spades site". Everyone's doing it... everyone loves to argue, don't they? I mean, it's been nearly a year, and people keep treating this like fresh meat. It's bones now, the marrow's gone... so why do we all still chew at the hallow shell that was once "Count Spades" and it's shamed artist, Antares?

Lovers of the once great "Count Spades"; I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure that after a year of endless criticism and pointless squabbling amongst her many betrayed/hopeless fans, Antares is probably never going to return to finish this comic.

Why should she? Why should she change her ways and 'grow up' and admit her wrongs? What good would that do? Human beings don't forgive so easily... there would really be no point to it. The many fans who have poured their hate into this page alone would never forgive her... not truly. Stewing in your own ills over a sin someone has to attone for, is not a way to achieve any end... you won't ever recieve your apology, and fans will never recieve their long awaited update.

A year ago, I visited that Encyclopedia Dramatica site. I loved it... and yes, I was dealt a minor blow at my self esteem, but you know what? You pick yourself up and aim to prove them wrong. It's just for fun and laughs. If you're hurt, show them how wrong they are.

Antares has undoubtably wonderful potential. Possibly one of the best I've seen on this site for a long time; her story, as far as I am aware, is original. There may be no excuse to her art theft; whether meager 'artist block' as far as character designs go, or be it "that character design is wasted on that character, I bet I could make it better." It doesn't matter; Antares did copy somebody elses' designs.

Where I agree that this story was very good, and the styles and format were undoubtably remarkable, I find it terribly ashaming that we'll probably never witness that again from Miss Antares' hands.

And the lies... the blatant lies... but, they were probably her final resort. Practically none of us know the real Antares. Does anybody know how well she deals with stress? Could you see yourself in her situation?

You log in one day like any other, and who knows how the message regarding Encyclopedia Dramatica reached her... but your heart stops as you stare at the condemning words, coupled with proof, that show that everything you worked for so diligently has suddenly crumbled. Your many adoring fans have probably seen this too. Your palms sweat, your breath quickens, and you frantically try to come up with some sort of excuse that can somehow stop this fire from growing... but it's too late. The poison has sunk in, and now everyone knows you are nothing but a thief. All your work is nothing... it's dirt. Worse than dirt. Your many hours improving yourself, writing the next page... wasted. You will never belong with those people again. Those people who you never met, but who's opinion you held in such high custom... all hate your guts now.

You have a choice... admit you're wrong and bow out forever gracefully... or run for it. Retract all your work so that it can not be used against you; so that it can remain precious to you, and just leave. Things will never blow over... things will only worsen... whatever the excuse you can give, the trust will never be there. You are damned in the Artist World. If you ever think of returning, only betrayed, angry, raging letters will be waiting for you.

I don't know about you personally... and I don't know her personally at all... but I know that the position seems like the stuff of nightmares... posted next to "Taking a test with no clothes on" and "Being chased by an alligator with no escape". Probably, for her own mental health, she wrote a final farewell in the shape of a lie, informing everyone with the best of her ability that she will no longer be with us, in an attempt to bow out and avoid the pain, so that everyone's final farewells were ones of "Come back soon" and "We understand", can be something she could live with, instead of... this horrid board full of unending hate letters.

Those of you who hate her so; why do you preach "I'd forgive her if she owned up and apologized?"
You know you won't. Saying sorry will just leave a "Yeah, whatever... traitor" immediate thought in your mind. There's no possible redemption. And, individual reader; it may not even apply to you. You may just be a saint and think "But I honestly would forgive her if she just owned up." I obviously don't know you personally... but generally, looking at the many conflicting posts upon this board, I can say that a majority of you would prefer there to never be an Antares, besides one that would grovel to you for forgiveness that you will never return.

Because of a terrible mistake she made blossoming into an artist, I find it a terrible shame that everyone basically crucified her and barred her talent from ever achieving further in the hobby that she so delighted in, and thought to share with others. Whereas I know that her crime is indeed serious in the artistic world, I think that she should be the one to punish herself, and redeem herself, instead of everyone else thinking it's their solemn duty to pelt her with every stone in their pocket.

If miracles happened, Antares would somehow gain the courage to return under another pen name and we'd see a revival of her brilliant work, and possibly, after a year of reflection, reveal completely original work, where she will finally put into motion her latent potential as a truly gifted artist, free of all this emotional turmoil and endless accusations. I don't see her returning to this site to face a crowd of year long revenge hungry fans... not when there is nothing but pain awaiting her...

I hope that she will bring to herself enough courage to look into her own mind, draw out a truly original piece of work, take out that pen and paper, and forge that story that exists deep in her own soul that she can share with overwhelming pride, 10 times more than she ever felt for Count Spades, or any other story she's ever made. I have faith in her that she has that ability... that she should face her mistake and make a comeback with something truly remarkable that she can truly, without a doubt, say "THIS STORY IS MINE! THIS ART IS MINE! THESE CHARACTERS ARE MINE! AND I WILL SHOW EVERYONE THIS STORY BECAUSE I POURED MY SOUL INTO IT, AND I CAN TRULY, UNDOUBTABLY SAY 'I HAVE PRIDE IN THIS COMIC AND IN MYSELF AS AN ARTIST!'"

anime-honeybee, 25 Oct 2008 10:37 pm

Gin. Rummy umm..I'm going to have to disagree with you on several points. First of all, I think one of the reasons this page has filled up with so many comments has to do with the general issue of what constitutes art theft and how it ought to be dealt with, not necessarily Antares specifically. As well, I find it odd and upsetting that you at first admit to her theft and say, "There may be no excuse to her art theft" and then continue to call it a "mistake" and something she has to deal with on her own. You launch into a hypothetical scenario that makes her situation upon being found out like a nightmare. Well who's fault do you think that is? I have no sympathy for her in those regards. You can't pity her for committing this "sin". Sure it must have been tough when she knew the cat was out of the bag, but she's the one who put it in their in the first place. As for it being her own problem to deal with. It's not. Not when she puts up a story like this on a public forum that people fall in love with and invest their time and energy reading and getting to know. She obviously must have appreciated having people read and enjoy her story. She gained the attention and admiration of people on this site, and now that she's been found out it's all of a sudden a personal matter? like no one else should have any attachment to what she placed here for the world to see? I don't accept that. I wish her well in the future and I agree that she had a lot of potential, but I think you're being too soft on her. She brought the mess onto herself and she furthered it by running away. I also think you underestimate how much people would have just wanted her to fess up and continue the story, and if her resolve to become an artist is so weak that having her theft discovered would actually cause her to stop drawing (which I highly doubt), then she is pretty weak and shouldn't have put herself at risk by stealing in the first place.

Loverofpiggies, 26 Oct 2008 04:14 pm

Rummy I agree with Anime-Honeybee.

I also think you did become pretty hypocritical on a few points, one that Anime-Honeybee DIDNT point out, was the fact you seem SO worried about what people think about Antares, then throw us upset people to the side and say we wont forgive her ever.

People arent black and white. I WILL FORGIVE HER IF SHE APOLYGIZES. It would take a while to TRUST her again, because trust isnt that easily gained back. But that will prove to me she is brave enough to admit she did wrong, and explain herself to me instead of leaving it up to the fans to make ridiculously innocent assumptions, and vise versa. And if some people dont accept her apology? Then she should forget them.

I am angry at her. I HATE art theft. And anyone should. But I'd have a new found respect for her if she was strong enough to come back here and admit her wrong. It takes a very strong, brave person to do admit their own wrongs.

I had a simular experience like this a while ago. I wont go into detail, but I almost felt sick and avoided the problem like the plague. It just kept growing, as problems you avoid USUALLY DO.

So eventually, even though I felt like throwing up, I went back and apolygized for what I did. Not only did it lift a huge weight off MY shoulders, but now people understood exactly what happened, instead of making up crazy assumptions.

So, NO. Humans arent black and white, and humans CAN forgive. I dont know who you are or whatnot, but people ARE capable of forgiveness, and I'm one of them.

But because I'm still upset and angry over the fact she wont come back and apolygize, I wont say ANYTHING in her defense, because I dont think she deserves it.

Besides, all this is doing is hurting her FUTURE as an artist. Ten years from now? If people find out about all this nonsense she made happen, and running away without any explination? Thats just going to do a hella damage on any artist's career.

I guess another way to put it is, if she gave a crap about her future as an artist, she'd come back and apolygize before it just bites her in the ass worse then it is now. I dont think she understands the huge damage this is doing to her, even if she hasent come back ONCE to look at this page. Ignoring it and tossing it to the side makes it grow and get worse.

Gin.Rummy, 27 Oct 2008 02:24 am

*Smiles softly* That is good to know then. I will credit your opinions both heavilly.

Thank you for your replies, you two.

I would like to add something that I may not have included, or rather, discarded it seems:

I am not throwing away the upset people, but rather wondering what this long outcome has on Antares herself. We know the many turn abouts that the topic of "art theft" has on the people; it's been stated over and over... but I wonder what Antares herself is thinking? What motivated her to lie and leave, and what keeps her away even now. I know that everyone here was hurt or confused by the event... perhaps I didn't give everyone enough credit that they deserve. I was rather just curious if anybody considered exactly what kind of affect this all has on her. I mean, she wouldn't have lied without a reason... I'm more or less offering food for thought... what from her point of view this whole mess has been.

Anyway, everyone has their own unique nature, and perhaps it was wrong of me to generalize... I assume that applying the "Marie Antoinette Mob Scenario" was not fair to all of you who considered my essay disrespectful. To each his own opinion, but given, I will apologize for lumping you all under my own assumption. If now, I am becoming contradicting to my recent essay, let us say that it was mostly my own scattered observations of this whole scene and a hypothesis of what the artist herself is thinking. Perhaps even tried to see if, given, if she could see this in some way, shape or form, cause her to wonder herself what exactly is barring her from returning. Making that attempt to see if she could rethink why she left or lied in the first place. It was not my intent to start a debate based on my opinions, but I'm afraid I may have come across as rather unfair. But as I've written before; I do not know you personally. I think, mostly, I was trying to see what the artist was thinking behind all this. We know the many opinions of those who bothered to post here concerning the crime, but I wonder just what she may be thinking... I apologize, I did not mean to greatly offend any of you.

But you know what? *smiles happily* If she does gather enough courage, it would be wonderful for those who anticipate it, wouldn't it? I look forward to you proving my generalization wrong, if she comes back.

anime-honeybee, 02 Nov 2008 12:38 am

Gin. Rummy Thank you for clarifying your point :) I think your opinion sounds a lot more reasonable this way. I agree, it would be nice to know what she was thinking. If we had a clue maybe it would give an idea of the circumstances that would entice her to come back. I've always been taught that in order to forgive something the person who's done wrong must first admit to what they've done and second must change their ways. I would have so much respect for her and would gladly continue reading/admiring her work if she came back, apologized and changed her ways (not even necessarily changing the designs because if she just admitted to borrowing them that would be a change from letting people think they were hers, though altering the designs might be nice), I think a lot of people would be able to put it behind them as well. Older readers would come back, new fans would gather and life on the internet, so to speak, would continue :)

Arwym Starlight, 09 Nov 2008 11:13 pm

:( I have to agree with anime-honeybee.

Also, I must admit that it is only now that I find out about all of this. I've been away from SJ and haven't looked at this comic for almost a year now, if my memory doesn't fail.

I'm truly surprised to see the similarities in those character designs. But I don't know what to say, so I'll say nothing about it. I just hope that someday Antares will offer us readers a fair and truthful explanation, and perhaps an apology.

I was following this comic for the story, and not so much for the characters' outfits or designs; also for Spades's personality, which I really, really like. And I don't know if there are comics with similar plots out there; but even if there were, I think that coincidences may happen. Just recently I had to trash one of the stories I had planned because I found about the existence a professional manga series that had too many similarities, even in names of places. That was really disturbing, heh.

Either way, I feel very sorry for the entire situation. I don't know what else to say.

I was enjoying Count Spades, so if Antares ever returns and decides to try this again, I may as well support that decision.

Yori Hayashi Chan, 13 Nov 2008 06:26 pm

I totally agree... It's bad about what she did, but it shouldn't have turned into THIS. Creating characters is kind of challenging, but at the same time, it's a fun experience that we are supposed to do anyway, as artists...

I'm a little confused as to why she didn't go all the way and DELETE her account. O.o

Well, whatever... XD

dna26angel, 14 Nov 2008 05:55 pm

Spade would rock the world with Neuro!!! WOOHOO!!!!!

hallelujah (Guest), 22 Nov 2008 10:28 pm

I was taught to forgive people even if they don't realize or admit their wrong doings. Jesus forgave the ones who crucified him and even pleaded to God that he may forgive them.

I follow Jesus' example.

wrong, 02 Dec 2008 05:44 pm

lmao @ all the people who say that all artists copy and that it helps you develop your style.

NO. IT DOESN'T.

Furthermore, taking risks is what helps you grow. Antares didn't take the risk. Now she's getting it.

She shouldn't, but she is.

I feel sorry for her.
/comment

13 (Guest), 13 Dec 2008 11:27 pm

sigh i guess she wont be putting the pages back up.....this sucks, i thought i got lucky and found a comic to read, and it turns out the artist destories her work....

remy-kun, 29 Dec 2008 02:15 pm

:) Hi everyone! Did you go through this whole page of comments. I did. It had intresting comments throughout the whole thing.

I was like"wow!"
If only my manga got this many comments! LOl
Well anyway, Hope everyone has a happy new year!

And maybe antares might come back after 2008! Maybe she wont!
I want to read her comic though...

tedmo, 01 Jan 2009 12:42 am

Happy new year everybody!
I know some people are like me, and wanted to see if Antares would magically appear just as the clock struck twelve in 2009.

But aren't you all tired of posting here?

I can't believe it really XD
This page stays updated more than any comic on SJ, that's for sure.
I can't believe this topic is still of interest after a year.
But I think we should all forget about it.
I doubt Antares will come back.
She's in for a mountain of messages in she does, tho.
I think her return is more anticipated then the second coming of....that guy who just had a birthday....John??

Well whatever.

I'm just saying, as we bring in the new year we should leave this shit behind.

Move on.
Go work on your own damn comics. Go read the others that actually have original characters and story design.
"Glass Hearts" is BACK!!! New and improved!
Also check out "Them Dudes". Great art.

Okay, well, I'm NEVER commenting on this page ever again.
I'm sure Antares has moved on, and done something else with her time and life. She's left us here to argue eternally XD
Why not give it a break?
Break in the new year by leaving this comic behind. I think we've all gotten our basic feelings out. And if you haven't, you can probably look thru the comments and see that somebody else already typed what you were thinking.


Well, have a happy new year. I wish you good karma in the next year.

Bai bai!

Angel Parks (Guest), 09 Jan 2009 06:17 pm

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Horace Burton (Guest), 11 Jan 2009 06:50 am

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good luck

pkjo2, 22 Jan 2009 10:01 pm

=3 This, hopefully, marked the end of the comments
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SakuraTenshi, 25 Jan 2009 02:09 pm

...*notices and looks at encyclopedia link thingy at beginning of debate* OOOOOOHHHHHH..... I didn't see that, sorry.... oh... I guess she did copy.... o___o;;;;
sorry, I usually don't go to other links or w/e when it has something to do with a fight *doesn't pay attention* -_-;;;
ok, so you're all right about her copying, but I don't remember her saying that she didn't copy them... did she say she didn't copy and that the designs they were hers? 0.0?
is the story not hers too?

13 (Guest), 08 Feb 2009 09:20 pm

its depressing to see ppl actually give a damn about that stupid dramatica site. for gods sakes they have a thing on jesus raptor....now if you want to believe it, then you do that. i say from all the stuff i've seen that this comic would be worth reading.

i just wish she didnt delete the images, i wanted to read the comic badly.

khoman (Guest), 14 Feb 2009 07:31 pm

In jesus raptor we trust. LMAO, it's not about what site outted the girl, the fact is she stole the bloody characters.
END OF STORY.
It doesn't matter if she didn't say whether or not they we stolen, luv.
All that matter is the fact that she fuckin RAN away when news got out.

She is guilty.
Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot, an ass kisser, or completely unaware of the damn evidence.

SHE STOLE. SHE RAN.
END OF STORY.

Go read something else.
This comic wasn't THAT great, anyway.
There are BETTER out there, so go an fucking FIND them.

bayadmuna, 18 Feb 2009 06:39 am

Hahahah. I can't believe people are still posting here.

Pikayurichu (Guest), 05 Mar 2009 01:36 pm

I wasnt a fan of this comic..but i did like Tesoro Hunters...I wonder if she stole ideas from that too? If so, shes nothing more than an art thief whos too fucking lazy to make her own characters....and the running away from it all is even worse LOL...LMAOOOOOOOOO

bystander (Guest), 06 Mar 2009 10:28 pm

I'm not a fan of this comic, or a hater. In fact I never actually read this comic, but I saw it in the "readers who also like" thing in one of the popular comics a while ago and started reading the comments... Truthfully I haven't read ALL the comments, but I do have my opinion...but I'm not going to say. :)

I was just wondering why antares didn't just delete the entire comic after she said in her deviantart she wouldn't be coming back... :/

Guest, 08 Mar 2009 11:19 am

cause shes a tartflake lol

iico, 27 May 2009 01:15 am

Just personal opinion I'm honestly appalled that the people that posted here from the SJ community (whether members or just readers) would believe everything they read on the internet and actually take the time to form an excuse to either defend or attack on what they've read. It just surprises me that people fail to see the irony of what they're saying half the time because in most cases it already applies to themselves, and I know I'm no exception to that rule.

The SJ community as a whole should have just confirmed from a different source on what was said, and then made the effort to come up with their own contructive criticism for Antares.

Lol..I just found something funny...and I personally find it IRONIC that EVERYONE who says that her copying is wrong is basing their opinions on what someone else has said.

How ORIGINAL.

Hikari Yuki, 30 May 2009 04:24 am

'Someone's' Worst Nightmare Personally, if I were an insanely brilliant artist, I wouldn't mind a person taking my character designs and bringing them to life in their own radiant manner. To me, it would be much akin to a continuous stream of fanart. Whether I was given notice for it or not. That may sound REALLY crazy, especially as I'm fully aware of how many people out there really hate that sort of thing. My reason for such an ungodly statement, as that, is, because when I am writing or drawing something, it is not for myself, or the simple fact of fame or fortune. I am sharing a bit of myself, my heart, and my love for people. By another taking it and shaping it into something else, I view it as a virus that will spread like wildfire throughout the world. To me, that person would simply be helping my true goal. To share a kind of love. Not for popularity gain, or even acknowledgement, I’m grateful for those, but even without, it wouldn’t stop me from doing what I adore. And, granted, someone may tarnish or skew my intentions; make it into something different, but that business isn't for me to be concerned with. My heart position is to share a gift; a talent I was given. To touch at least one life...one life that I HOPE will share my gift with one life of their own. [Spread my disease like poison...^__^ Heh.]

Perhaps I'm being silly, as, I've yet to fully hone my craft, and I'm not nearly as brilliant or radiant in that craft as many others. I may, rightly, have NO leg to stand upon, with such statements. Life is short, I've seen too much death in my own, to take such a small event, as this, so seriously. In the GRAND scheme of things, is Antares' 'horrendous' acts of 'plagiarism' worth more than life? It may be disappointing, but that's only because you cared and felt some deep connection or attachment to her art work. That, or you actually knew her and conversed with her so you cared for the artist herself. People only suffer disappointment and demand apologies when they give a rip about something. I see a lot of this as people who are either hurting, envious, or caring, and are speaking up. But in a lot of cases I don't think you're speaking up about the ‘real’ things. Some may really want to share and talk about a parent, loved one, friend, or situation, but are using this as an escape. Some may be bored, but it seems highly unlikely, with all this emotion flying around, that EVERYONE is typing stuff because they've nothing better to do. Humanity is one big weeping wound, and continues to daily skirt around what really matters to their hearts…because those are the most painful things. [If I am wrong, do speak up.]
Honestly, I feel for the person that is Antares. That, if she ran, it's because she couldn't bear the wait of her own shame, lacked the courage to admit a fault. Which we all do, no excuse, but we all bear the weight of a shame…[it’s, just, yet to be publicized in a like manner]. There are areas in all our lives that we don't readily admit. And if she really did leave because she saw her attachment to the 'nets as unhealthy, then good for her, she's making a change in her life. I don't believe in coincidences, so her leaving at such a time when things hit the roof, so to speak, does look highly suspect, unbelievably so.

Never mind, to me, even before this debacle, I figured the format of her characters weren't too original, as she was using those of fans who sent in their designs. ^___^ I thought that was a given, mates. Heeeh.


Oh-hoh. If you've managed to read this AND everything on this page, in one sitting, you're my hero...I'll have to come back and get another delicious installment, myself.

... I so wanted to read this whole thing before commenting, but all the discussions and sub-discussions and blatant flaming got me all excited...and then the guest appearances [as I view them to be] of some of my favorite artists [xkrazydog, Resalan, and Narison particularly] just slapped a smile on my face and I just had to grab my knickers in a bunch and cop a squat in the proverbial seat that is this page.

Happy quarrelling!

</Insane wall of text.

cassiesillustrations, 01 Jun 2009 04:33 pm

WOW! People are still commenting on this entire situation! O.O This page wins for the most commented page on SJ! XD

It's kinda sad...I really liked Count Spades too...All well, shit happens.

. (Guest), 30 Jun 2009 09:25 pm

lol Smackjeeve's ED article is shit. It's like a bunch of jealous 16 year-olds wrote it. You call that "lulz"? Wow, SJ must be a pretty darn boring website. Once a mod on ED reads that article over, they'll be planning for deletion for the lack of lulz.

You guys are acting like it's the first time someone popular has stolen something.

So the woman decides to rip off some character designs. Okay, got anything more exciting? In truth, the arguments made here are a lot more lulzy than what this Antares person did.

:D (Guest), 03 Jul 2009 04:07 am

this drama happened over a year ago and theres still discussion hi i like cakes

I'm aguest, I'm a guest I'm a gu (Guest), 03 Jul 2009 10:22 am

i like cakes too

thirteen (Guest), 12 Jul 2009 12:37 am

what's strange is that one particular person keeps popping up. bayadmuna...Its as if s/he is...keeping tabs on all this...another recurrin element is how both antares old avy is in a similar format to baya......maybe im just being paranoid, oh well

oldfan (Guest), 07 Aug 2009 02:38 pm

I just wish she would of finished/continued Scarecrows, it was my favourite comic. =(

Guest, 08 Oct 2009 08:25 pm

FAIL!...

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